'V' Koi Thakya Aise?

[IAS]

I've noticed that some Bengalis write in a style in which Bangla is usually not spoken. For example 'Vai' (Bhai) and Mishtir 'Vandar' (Bhandar). Why this unnecessary affectation? Is it a Dhakaiya thing?

As far as I remember from my GCSE Bengali days, there is no equivalent to the letter 'V' in the Bangla bornomala.

[layperson]

hahahahahahahaha great thread topic. I used to hate this usage of V too. BUt I found out the reason. There are some khet people who pronounce the alphabet "V" as bhi (as opposed to wee) and subsitute the alphabet V for the bangla word "bho".

[Sohel]

I have issues with the usage of "V" as "Bho" ... irritating. Not a big fan of "Ch" meant to work as a "Ch'ho". The use of "J" or "Z" as "Jho" bugs also.

Sadly, unlike Japanese, we do not have the Bangla equivalent of "Romanji", the standardized way writing the language using the Roman alphabet. Too much to expect when Mashrafee is spelled "Mashrafe", Russel "Rasel", Masud "Mashud" and my favorite, Dollar "Dolar" ... shrilly mid-off.

[Zunaid]

Originally Posted by Sohel NR
I have issues with the usage of "V" as "Bho" ... irritating. Not a big fan of "Ch" meant to work as a "Ch'ho". The use of "J" or "Z" as "Jho" bugs also.

Sadly, unlike Japanese, we do not have the Bangla equivalent of "Romanji", the standardized way writing the language using the Roman alphabet. Too much to expect when Mashrafee is spelled "Mashrafe", Russel "Rasel", Masud "Mashud" and my favorite, Dollar "Dolar" ... shrilly mid-off.

We do.

Virtual Bangladesh : Survival Bengali : Transliteration Schema

[Puck]

as i grow older i find that the diversity of accents, pronunciation or the vernacular associated with various regions in bangladesh or uk doesn't bother me so much anymore. as a child and even as a teenager and in my early twenties, i would make fun of such things, but not anymore. now i find a peculiar interest in such matters and find it all the more interesting to chat with someone who has a different accent than the rp i normally associate with.

[Arnab]

Originally Posted by Sohel NR
Sadly, unlike Japanese, we do not have the Bangla equivalent of "Romanji", the standardized way writing the language using the Roman alphabet.

Wikipedia has a very thorough Bengali-to-English Romanization scheme. It's used in all Bengali-based article.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanization_of_Bengali compares various schemes including the one used for wikipedia itself.

[SMHasan]

On another note we always should mention our language as 'Bangla' not 'Bengali'.Sadly lot of people still say 'Bengali' to mean the people who speak Bangla. It is our responsibility to represent our culture and language, no one will do it for us. Despite being a foreign media the Voice of America says 'This is VOA, now in Bangla' when they start their Bangla programme. But we do not have currect awareness.

[ammark]

From my post from this thread earlier this month:

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You will find replication of this problem in written form, even on these forums. Having associated ph=f or bh=v in the native lingua, the construction of bengali words in the english alphabet [sic] is therefore incorrect. People do write vabi instead of bhabi, while pronouncing the latter form. Even when teaching english to bengalis, this same problem seems to inverse itself where the letter Z is pronounced as J, and the letter J as the English Z. (eg. Project = Prozect, Zero=Jiro )

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[Sohel]

Originally Posted by Zunaid
We do.

Virtual Bangladesh : Survival Bengali : Transliteration Schema

Cool. Thanks Z-bhai, we need Bangla Academy to recognize this. On second thought, that may take another lifetime.

[Sohel]

Originally Posted by Arnab
Wikipedia has a very thorough Bengali-to-English Romanization scheme. It's used in all Bengali-based article.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanization_of_Bengali compares various schemes including the one used for wikipedia itself.

Thanks for the excellent dig. Definitely a keeper, although all the accents can make the Bangladeshi system somewhat dysfunctional for many. BTW, IMHO you ought to do your Phd in Semiotics, possibly from Columbia.

[shaad]

Originally Posted by SMHasan
On another note we always should mention our language as 'Bangla' not 'Bengali'.Sadly lot of people still say 'Bengali' to mean the people who speak Bangla. It is our responsibility to represent our culture and language, no one will do it for us. Despite being a foreign media the Voice of America says 'This is VOA, now in Bangla' when they start their Bangla programme. But we do not have currect awareness.

While I don't disagree with you, note that this happens to other languages too (and not just languages, names of countries as well): for instance "English" in English, is "Anglais" in French, and "Ingreji" in Bangla.

On a somewhat different note, while my wife (American, but speaks, reads, and writes Bangla) has no problem identifying any of the three "raws" (ড়,ঢ়,র) based on how they sound, she has some difficulty in distinguishing individual "shaws" (শ,ষ,স). Now I can certainly hear the difference (as opposed to knowing say, where the tongue is when one pronounces them), and I presume most native Bangla-speakers can. Otherwise, I fear that this might ultimately lead to the elimination of some "shaws" . I am sure some of the old-timers, like me, remember the vowel "li" which disappeared during my childhood. Speaking of which, do any of you remember any Bangla words in which "li" was used?

[tutul]

interesting thread!

[tutul]

Originally Posted by IAS
Is it a Dhakaiya thing?

Originally Posted by layperson
There are some khet people who pronounce the alphabet "V" as bhi (as opposed to wee) and subsitute the alphabet V for the bangla word "bho".

Good call Shahriyar bhai

[SMHasan]

Originally Posted by shaad
While I don't disagree with you, note that this happens to other languages too (and not just languages, names of countries as well): for instance "English" in English, is "Anglais" in French, and "Ingreji" in Bangla.

On a somewhat different note, while my wife (American, but speaks, reads, and writes Bangla) has no problem identifying any of the three "raws" (ড়,ঢ়,র) based on how they sound, she has some difficulty in distinguishing individual "shaws" (শ,ষ,স). Now I can certainly hear the difference (as opposed to knowing say, where the tongue is when one pronounces them), and I presume most native Bangla-speakers can. Otherwise, I fear that this might ultimately lead to the elimination of some "shaws" . I am sure some of the old-timers, like me, remember the vowel "li" which disappeared during my childhood. Speaking of which, do any of you remember any Bangla words in which "li" was used?

Actually we say Ingreji to mean English and it is our own way of saying. Now if some foreign people say Bengali then there is nothing to do here but we need to make sure that we are doing our part precisely. Still I would like us to give up saying Ingreji and should say it as English. And the same thing applies to the foreign people as well.

As for the 'li' - was it placed after the vowel 'ri' ?

[reverse_swing]

Originally Posted by SMHasan
Actually we say Ingreji to mean English and it is our own way of saying.

Not really. Ingreji is fact Bangla word. For example in Spanish we use Indio(Indian), Inglés(English),Inglaterra(England),Asiático(Asi an),Alemán(German),Francés(French) etc.

[layperson]

Coming back to this topic. Just to show how insanely idiotic the usage of V is if it is pronounced as the bangla word "bho": The word "very" will be pronounced as "bhery" if V was equivalent to the bangla BHO. So the fools who use V this way should realize how insanely idiotic it sounds !!!!! I always thought about posting a thread about this but then again I thought it might appear a bit rude or condescending to those people since quite a few here use V instead of the bangla "Bho" but now that the cat is out in the open I have let myself loose on the topic. There are a few other things which I find very very irritating so I am hoping some others would pick them up and start threads on those so that I can let myself loose on those topics as well. Just for a peek "Lose" and "Loose" are not the same in meaning... GOOD LORD, how people misuse these two simple words !!!! Ajker jonno ar na boli eishob stupidity niye.

[Orpheus]

I use "V".

Udaharon:
-Valo Vashbo Vatti nivaiya.
-Amar buar kaam Vua
- Valo Beshe Veshe Gechi

[layperson]

Shesh porjonto Orpheus o khet brigade join korlo !!!

[Nafis_BD]

Hey Shahriyar uncle what happened to you?? Barely ever see you coming to BC or are you in invisible mode??

[Sumon77]

Originally Posted by layperson
Shesh porjonto Orpheus o khet brigade join korlo !!!

could you please use a more appropriate pronunciation like khayt or something better ?(its not e-kar, its jo-fola+ aa-kar) khet sounds like khet-khamar.

[Dhurr]

Eita bheri good shuta na.

[Sumon77]

Originally Posted by Dhurr
Eita bheri good shuta na.

[Dhurr]

Originally Posted by Sumon77

Do you think this is bheri phunny?

[layperson]

Originally Posted by Nafis_BD
Hey Shahriyar uncle what happened to you?? Barely ever see you coming to BC or are you in invisible mode??

Hahaha Nephew I do come but not as much as before. Student life had its perks which now I dont have.

Sumon bhai, thank you for pointing it out. Is "Khat" better than "khet"?

Dhurrrr miya dhurr bhai ki je bolen. Eto nice shuta ekta ar apnar pochondo holo nah.

[Dhurr]

Shahriyar, thik ase. tomar mone koshto dibo na. eita khub valo shuta.