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Old February 1, 2019, 11:00 AM
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Rui Aam khaiya pura Matha kharap hoiya gese! Aam-er rosh-e or daari jorjoriito - raakhsey ek Lomba Dari aar math-te porse Taak!

Aam, lichu khawa dawa, tar upor modh-paan, taar upor mohila-der dikey bod-nojor...Ai hai hai!
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amar keno jani money bk bhai o trump supporter. bashar moddhe MAGA hat pore ghure berai karon oita pore spanish harlem e ghurle nirghat mair khabe. gopon shutre janti pereche brihottor bhramonbaria trump fan club er shobapoti uni. unar bodu mama shoho shobapoti.
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Old February 2, 2019, 09:11 AM
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Donald J. Trump is such a meme character that even two years after his presidency, it still does not sink in the mind that he is the President of the United States of America. When someone addresses him (the man child) as Mr. President, it honestly does feel awkward. Yes, the previous presidents were all crooked, but still the term '"Mr. President" evoked some respect and not irony.

Even if you do not accept that the economic effects of capitalism and neo-liberalism is responsible for the rise of a demagogue like Trump, his rise can also be explained from the social effects of capitalism.

A capitalist society is all about 'me'. It is all about expanding my capital. It is all about increasing my profit. It is all about increasing the enjoyment of my 'only' existence. If that means sacrificing environment, nature, basic amenities for the working class and their happiness, so be it.

I am not passing judgement of such a society, but there is no denying that capitalism has turned America (and to a greater extent the whole world) into a hedonistic society. Life is all about self pleasure. It is all about self worship. It is about enjoying the moment. It is an extreme form of invidualism. No one has time for others. In this society, religion is taboo. Spirituality is taboo. Morality is taboo. Any concept that deems to be an obstacle, no matter how little, to this extreme self worship and unfettered self pleasure is considered taboo and looked down upon.

Life has become a reality show. And from this reality show came a reality show President. Surprising? Not at all.

Even though Trump and Hillary were competing against each other, since both arose from the same society, both had many similarities.

1. Both worships 'me'. The only thing Trump cares about in this world is Trump. It is all about Trump. He has this infinite, pathological need for attention. This constant craving for attention is what causes him to say one outrageous thing after another. He thrives on it. And a reason why he ran for president is to serve this void. Hillary is same too. She wanted to be president for her own self aggrandizement. It was all about her. Even her slogan was 'I am with her'.

2. Both of them have no soul at all. They are completely incapable of showing any form of empathy whatsoever.

3. Both of them have limitless hunger for money. Bill and Hillary raised over 1 billion in their career in the form of campaign donation, foundation donation, and still they are hungry for money. So is Trump. He ran for president to maximize his business. No amount of money can satiate their hunger.

4. Both are amoral.

5. Both are pathological liars.

But Trump prevailed. Trump is an elite but the elite circle of Washington and New York do not fully embrace him due to him not being prudent. This is a factor that distinguished Trump from Hillary, and allowed him to come across as a man for people/anti establishment despite being an elite, and he won.
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Old February 5, 2019, 05:30 AM
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Like it or not, the moniker that Trump comes up with sticks.

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Old February 5, 2019, 05:31 AM
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Old February 5, 2019, 03:35 PM
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Donald J. Trump is such a meme character that even two years after his presidency, it still does not sink in the mind that he is the President of the United States of America. When someone addresses him (the man child) as Mr. President, it honestly does feel awkward. Yes, the previous presidents were all crooked, but still the term '"Mr. President" evoked some respect and not irony.

Even if you do not accept that the economic effects of capitalism and neo-liberalism is responsible for the rise of a demagogue like Trump, his rise can also be explained from the social effects of capitalism.

A capitalist society is all about 'me'. It is all about expanding my capital. It is all about increasing my profit. It is all about increasing the enjoyment of my 'only' existence. If that means sacrificing environment, nature, basic amenities for the working class and their happiness, so be it.

I am not passing judgement of such a society, but there is no denying that capitalism has turned America (and to a greater extent the whole world) into a hedonistic society. Life is all about self pleasure. It is all about self worship. It is about enjoying the moment. It is an extreme form of invidualism. No one has time for others. In this society, religion is taboo. Spirituality is taboo. Morality is taboo. Any concept that deems to be an obstacle, no matter how little, to this extreme self worship and unfettered self pleasure is considered taboo and looked down upon.

Life has become a reality show. And from this reality show came a reality show President. Surprising? Not at all.

Even though Trump and Hillary were competing against each other, since both arose from the same society, both had many similarities.

1. Both worships 'me'. The only thing Trump cares about in this world is Trump. It is all about Trump. He has this infinite, pathological need for attention. This constant craving for attention is what causes him to say one outrageous thing after another. He thrives on it. And a reason why he ran for president is to serve this void. Hillary is same too. She wanted to be president for her own self aggrandizement. It was all about her. Even her slogan was 'I am with her'.

2. Both of them have no soul at all. They are completely incapable of showing any form of empathy whatsoever.

3. Both of them have limitless hunger for money. Bill and Hillary raised over 1 billion in their career in the form of campaign donation, foundation donation, and still they are hungry for money. So is Trump. He ran for president to maximize his business. No amount of money can satiate their hunger.

4. Both are amoral.

5. Both are pathological liars.

But Trump prevailed. Trump is an elite but the elite circle of Washington and New York do not fully embrace him due to him not being prudent. This is a factor that distinguished Trump from Hillary, and allowed him to come across as a man for people/anti establishment despite being an elite, and he won.
All that could be summarized into 2 main reasons:

1) Trump won because enough Americans are racists.

2) Trump won because enough Americans want billionaires to get more tax cuts.

Think about it this way, there are people who say "at least it wasn't Hillary" when you force them to realize that the Russians almost certainly subverted American democracy in 2016.

They are saying that they don't care if a foreign hostile power is indirectly or even directly controlling them, so long as white nationalism is preserved at the expense of American minorities.
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Donald J. Trump is such a meme character that even two years after his presidency, it still does not sink in the mind that he is the President of the United States of America. When someone addresses him (the man child) as Mr. President, it honestly does feel awkward. Yes, the previous presidents were all crooked, but still the term '"Mr. President" evoked some respect and not irony.

Even if you do not accept that the economic effects of capitalism and neo-liberalism is responsible for the rise of a demagogue like Trump, his rise can also be explained from the social effects of capitalism.

A capitalist society is all about 'me'. It is all about expanding my capital. It is all about increasing my profit. It is all about increasing the enjoyment of my 'only' existence. If that means sacrificing environment, nature, basic amenities for the working class and their happiness, so be it.

I am not passing judgement of such a society, but there is no denying that capitalism has turned America (and to a greater extent the whole world) into a hedonistic society. Life is all about self pleasure. It is all about self worship. It is about enjoying the moment. It is an extreme form of invidualism. No one has time for others. In this society, religion is taboo. Spirituality is taboo. Morality is taboo. Any concept that deems to be an obstacle, no matter how little, to this extreme self worship and unfettered self pleasure is considered taboo and looked down upon.

Life has become a reality show. And from this reality show came a reality show President. Surprising? Not at all.

Even though Trump and Hillary were competing against each other, since both arose from the same society, both had many similarities.

1. Both worships 'me'. The only thing Trump cares about in this world is Trump. It is all about Trump. He has this infinite, pathological need for attention. This constant craving for attention is what causes him to say one outrageous thing after another. He thrives on it. And a reason why he ran for president is to serve this void. Hillary is same too. She wanted to be president for her own self aggrandizement. It was all about her. Even her slogan was 'I am with her'.

2. Both of them have no soul at all. They are completely incapable of showing any form of empathy whatsoever.

3. Both of them have limitless hunger for money. Bill and Hillary raised over 1 billion in their career in the form of campaign donation, foundation donation, and still they are hungry for money. So is Trump. He ran for president to maximize his business. No amount of money can satiate their hunger.

4. Both are amoral.

5. Both are pathological liars.

But Trump prevailed. Trump is an elite but the elite circle of Washington and New York do not fully embrace him due to him not being prudent. This is a factor that distinguished Trump from Hillary, and allowed him to come across as a man for people/anti establishment despite being an elite, and he won.
This is a very good post, enjoyed reading.
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For 2020 election, now Donald has a 2nd weapon : "Socialism" (in top of Immigration). He will use it ruthlessly.


For Democrat, they are failing to use their three weapons correctly. First two (personal character, and russia link) they over used it with no result, and the 2nd one ( healthcare) they failed to use it effectively so far.
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I never understood Trump supporters or why people support trump. I can somehow understand why some certain "white folks" supports him as in the age of globalization and immigration, they feel threatened and the "master race" is no longer dominant(actually that's still debateable). but I never understood to this day how other folks can support him. What is it about him that attracts voters? He is probably one of the most repulsive man to ever walk this earth...forget presidency. I try to find 1000 excuses for him but i got none.


The idea of master race and white supremacy was extrapolated from Darwinism during the same time the European civilization was going through their scientific and intellectual revolution, If I am not mistaken.


Only thing I will say that since he has been in office there has been no ISIS attacks Alhamdulillah. I am not sure if he takes credit for that. other than that, I fail to see how he is any different from any other establishment politician...
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The amount of closet Trump supporters in America all over is staggeringly too many(Blue states, red states you name it), I foresee him winning a second term unless there is a recession. (Money, the one thing all Americans unanimously agree upon, lol).

I have met too many trump supporters in real life(I live in a blue state, CT) to conclude that there was no Russian meddling. One of the silver linings of Trump rising to power is that the subvert and somewhat hidden racism and bigotry has been exposed as opposed to pretending it's not there...It's as crystal clear as daylight for everyone to see...
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Yes Trump exposed the existence of racism in the society.

However if we think there is only white racist in the society we would be wrong. Racist comes in different skin color. There are white racist, then there are also black racist, brown racist and even yellow racist.

All are exposed.
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A lot of people were getting sick and tired of the overt hypocrisy of the PC world we were living in. You had folks like Obama who would say all the right things and then go behind your back and do something totally different. Are we really worse off having someone who says all the wrong things, alerts us to the impending doom and then actually fails to carry out plans that were supposed to lead to the doom? How many senseless wars Obama approved during his reign has already been discussed. I also think he doesn't deserve as much credit for the economic turnaround as the fed does. If he deserves some credit it's for not allowing the recession to linger another six months or so, but just like his predecessors he failed to punish the culprit banks that caused the economic collapse in the first place. That's how the issue should've been addressed to prevent it from happening again in the future. I'm also not sure how much more effective the original Obamacare was compared to what we had in place previously. Obama spoke against gun violence but did he really have any measurable positive impact?

When Trump came to power I expected things to get much worse. The thought of packing up and moving to the North of the border had crossed my mind. People of color and Muslims were supposed to be persecuted and forced out of the country. If Obama could get away with 10 wars he had the license to start 20. The economy was supposed to crumble.

What we saw transpire instead is very different. He did set twitterverse on fire alright. We knew he talks a lot of crap, no sane person can support everything he says. But he's also shown that he can get a thing or two done and his methods work to a certain extent.

People of color are actually getting more attention in a good way. The media has stopped portraying Muslims as ISIS. More women, minorities and even Muslims are now self aware, running for government offices and getting into important positions. This wouldn't happen in a PC world where people do not feel the need to change or try harder because they falsely believe everything is hunky dory, there's no race issues or anything to worry about. A recession has been long overdue. Trump's reputation and direct meddling with the fed has somehow delayed it. Job markets are also thriving. I understand nobody can stop China's progress, but someone needed to stop the trend of starting wars with random countries and stand up against China instead and let them know they can't keep doing what they were doing forever. He fixed some of the kinks in Obamacare and made it better. He brought to light important issues like the opioid crisis, immigration and the Southern border issue.

It would've been nice to see him address bigger issues like the second amendment but we all know how far fetched even the idea of solving it is. My biggest concern about Trump is his stand on environmental issues. Other than that, I feel reasonably confident that he won't be able to accomplish any evil plans; the democratic institutions, the legislative branch in particular will prevent him from carrying out any crazy measures.

If the Dems want to give him a run for his money in 2020, I'm interested in two types of candidates.
1) Someone who not only talks about social change but has successfully done it in the past at the state level. I'm not interested in ideas alone, track record of success is important.
2) Someone like Oprah or Jeff Bezos who will possess better character and moral values and know how to build a successful organization or empire from scratch.
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AOC just had a savage mic drop moment...

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No new information... Being overly dramatic.
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Very nicely summarized. Obama was a hack. If anything, he is the one started to expose/exploit race things. He never worked for all americans, he was so focused to his black base. Even the effing obamacare was for that same base. Healthecare was supposed to be for all americans not just effing minorities or low incomes. We forget things so easily. He had both Senate and House majority in favor, and he could not pass a healthcare bill for all americans. He screwed up healthcare system BIG time - very very expensive. Just think about it - who is going to subsidize the cost of healthcare for those people who never had insurance before?



Trump is a bigot, liar, call him whatever - but he is working for America. I do not care anything else. I did not effing come to this country if it is made like Bangladesh or any other country in the world. I would have stayed back in BD. I came here to make my American dream. So whoever works for America will get my vote! If you are to live the American dream, no we do not need a socialist effing agendas from demcorats. Unless democrats have ppl/policies that work for all Americans, Bernie's policies sound great on paper - but he will make another mess on education system if he was a president, just like Obama did on Healthcare. If the education system is a mess like healthcare, God forbid, what will this country become!



Do I support all the stupid stuff (including wall) Trump says/does - absolutely no! He did stand up to lot of things that deserves kudos! On the other hand, what the democrats are doing? It feels like they are working for all other people in the world but Americans hahaha








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A lot of people were getting sick and tired of the overt hypocrisy of the PC world we were living in. You had folks like Obama who would say all the right things and then go behind your back and do something totally different. Are we really worse off having someone who says all the wrong things, alerts us to the impending doom and then actually fails to carry out plans that were supposed to lead to the doom? How many senseless wars Obama approved during his reign has already been discussed. I also think he doesn't deserve as much credit for the economic turnaround as the fed does. If he deserves some credit it's for not allowing the recession to linger another six months or so, but just like his predecessors he failed to punish the culprit banks that caused the economic collapse in the first place. That's how the issue should've been addressed to prevent it from happening again in the future. I'm also not sure how much more effective the original Obamacare was compared to what we had in place previously. Obama spoke against gun violence but did he really have any measurable positive impact?

When Trump came to power I expected things to get much worse. The thought of packing up and moving to the North of the border had crossed my mind. People of color and Muslims were supposed to be persecuted and forced out of the country. If Obama could get away with 10 wars he had the license to start 20. The economy was supposed to crumble.

What we saw transpire instead is very different. He did set twitterverse on fire alright. We knew he talks a lot of crap, no sane person can support everything he says. But he's also shown that he can get a thing or two done and his methods work to a certain extent.

People of color are actually getting more attention in a good way. The media has stopped portraying Muslims as ISIS. More women, minorities and even Muslims are now self aware, running for government offices and getting into important positions. This wouldn't happen in a PC world where people do not feel the need to change or try harder because they falsely believe everything is hunky dory, there's no race issues or anything to worry about. A recession has been long overdue. Trump's reputation and direct meddling with the fed has somehow delayed it. Job markets are also thriving. I understand nobody can stop China's progress, but someone needed to stop the trend of starting wars with random countries and stand up against China instead and let them know they can't keep doing what they were doing forever. He fixed some of the kinks in Obamacare and made it better. He brought to light important issues like the opioid crisis, immigration and the Southern border issue.

It would've been nice to see him address bigger issues like the second amendment but we all know how far fetched even the idea of solving it is. My biggest concern about Trump is his stand on environmental issues. Other than that, I feel reasonably confident that he won't be able to accomplish any evil plans; the democratic institutions, the legislative branch in particular will prevent him from carrying out any crazy measures.

If the Dems want to give him a run for his money in 2020, I'm interested in two types of candidates.
1) Someone who not only talks about social change but has successfully done it in the past at the state level. I'm not interested in ideas alone, track record of success is important.
2) Someone like Oprah or Jeff Bezos who will possess better character and moral values and know how to build a successful organization or empire from scratch.
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AOC is a moron. Can't wait to hear what Ben Shapiro will say about her latest antics.
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Thanks man. Though it's not right what they did. Really have to sit down one of these days and reevaluate whether my principles will allow me to stay on here much longer.
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Shapiro is only smart by conservative standards. His fans think he’s smart just because he has a smug way of talking. Sam Harris crushes him in a discussion on religion and values.
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^ Yes he does. I think I watched the episode that you are talking about. He has weaknesses for sure. But AOC is a joke. I hope Dems run her as Bernie 2.0 in 2020. At least she will get attract PR, but Trump won't even have to campaign, the fast talking conservatives will bury her with rounds and rounds of facts.
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^ Yes he does. I think I watched the episode that you are talking about. He has weaknesses for sure. But AOC is a joke. I hope Dems run her as Bernie 2.0 in 2020. At least she will get attract PR, but Trump won't even have to campaign, the fast talking conservatives will bury her with rounds and rounds of facts.
AOC is not president material, at least not yet. Maybe in 20 years time. Besides, she's only 29 and the Constitution has declared that you have be at least 35 to run for President. So the earliest she could run is 2028.

I think the 2020 election can be close provided the Dems pick the right candidate. We have to remember that with a terribly flawed candidate in Hillary, Comey's meddling just 1 week before the election, and Russia's disinformation campaign, and zero broken promises, Trump still lost by nearly 3 million votes.

Here's the 2020 equation:

- candidate: the obvious one...whoever the Dems nominate, will he/she be able to stand up to the persona of Trump?
- Mueller investigation...if it ends up vindicating Trump (anything less than proving collusion/conspiracy will be a vindication of Trump), Dems will lose right here. Time and money wasted on what would then really be very expensive fishing expedition.
- anti-incumbency factor...how much will failed policies hurt the President? tariff war hurting the same farmers who voted him in in places like Wisconsin and Iowa. Tax cuts only helping the ultra rich and not the middle class american as was promised. border wall possibly being prevented by the Dems, etc.

If the 2018 mid term elections are any prediction, the Dems might be projected for a resounding win. Although they lost 2 seats in the senate, the Dems were defending 75% of the seats up for grabs. The GOP should have had control of 60 or more seats with those odds and instead only has 53. Big advantage to the Dems.
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All that could be summarized into 2 main reasons:

1) Trump won because enough Americans are racists.
2) Trump won because enough Americans want billionaires to get more tax cuts.

Think about it this way, there are people who say "at least it wasn't Hillary" when you force them to realize that the Russians almost certainly subverted American democracy in 2016.

They are saying that they don't care if a foreign hostile power is indirectly or even directly controlling them, so long as white nationalism is preserved at the expense of American minorities.
Your post do not summarize what I had written above, but nonetheless, here are my comments about your two points.

1. Has Trump won because enough Americans are racist? The answer is both Yes and No. Racism still exists in America, but it is not as blunt as it used to be in the sixties and before. Now it is more structural and subtle in nature. Disproportionate incarcerate rate and abnormally high number of police brutality against the people of color are two proofs of existence of structural racism in America.

However, to ascertain that Trump won simply because of racism is an oversimplification. After all, the same country that elected Trump had also elected in the immediate past a black guy with a Moslem name twice to the office of presidency. TWICE!

What happened in those eight Obama years that caused US to take a 180 degree turn? Yes, I am aware that Hillary Clinton won the popular vote, but the rule of game was Electoral College, and in this game, Trump soundly beat Hillary, and that is no joke when you contrast the strength and experience of Clinton machine against record unpopularity and political amateurishness of Trump.

What happened during the Obama era will again lead to the discussion of capitalism that many people unfortunately are not willing hear or accept. Trump is not the illness, but the symptom of a bigger disease , i.e., unrestrained neo-liberal capitalism, started by Reagan, continued by Bushes and Clinton, and culminated during the Obama era. The natural end result of capitalism is either revolution or fascism. Since Bernie’s call for revolution failed, a fake right wing populist with clear fascist tendency was elected, and it was a last ditch effort by the helpless mass to throw a brick to the establishment.

2. Trump did not won because American’s want tax cut. Trump’s election was also NOT a result of Russian collusion, which is a HOAX. Trump won because people were tired of the same old and betrayed by Obama’s promise of change, and thus they preferred whatever Hillary alternative was given to them.

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For 2020 election, now Donald has a 2nd weapon : "Socialism" (in top of Immigration). He will use it ruthlessly.
Correct observation. Trump will hammer ‘socialism’ and ‘Venezuela’ over his democratic opponent day and night. He has already made a pivot to socialism card in this recent SOTU address, whereas he declared that US would never be a socialist country. In the SOTU speech, he also pivot to his fake populism. He mentioned NAFTA. May be Trump is not as stupid as we make him out to be?

Will this socialism tactic work? It will not work with millennial voters. Millennial voters know that socialism promoted by Bernie or AOC is the not the socialism as it was first defined theoretically, i.e. no individual ownership of wealth or completely democratized workplace. Bernie and AOC is calling for democratic socialism that will guarantee healthcare and education as rights, and control capitalism in order that wealth does not accumulate at the hands of 0.01% only. Of course, the right wing cannot debate intellectually, and thus the only thing they are left with is straw man argument like ‘Venezuela’ and ‘commie’.

The democratic nominee, whoever he or she is, must not fall into this trap of red baiting. He should stick to his vision of America and policy solutions, and present himself as a mature alternative of man-child Trump. Remember that you cannot fight a pig – if you do, you get dirty and you do not win. Hammer your own argument, be specific, do not show outrage at Trump expletives, and do not take the bait of Trump and be defensive, and you will make Trump look helpless. Remember that in 2016, Trump chickened out a debate with Bernie, because Trump knew Bernie would not take his baits.

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For Democrat, they are failing to use their three weapons correctly. First two (personal character, and russia link) they over used it with no result, and the 2nd one ( healthcare) they failed to use it effectively so far.
The sure way of failing for Democrats will be to overuse the Russia collusion theory, which they have done already for the last two years, and people did not buy it. Because there was NO collusion. Only a fool would believe that few facebook memes swayed the election to Trump whereas Clinton machine failed with billions of dollars. Collusion theory is the result of copulation between John Podesta and Roby Mook - happened after the loss of their queen Hillary Clinton. It is a hoax. Rachel Maddow left no stone unturned to sell this hoax but she failed, because it was a dog food that no dog liked. As for the healthcare, democrats failed it to use is effectively because they are beholden to the insurance companies, and thus have been stuttering about it. They want incremental Obama change, but people want Medicare for all – which means medical care for free at the point of need. Democrats have to come unequivocal about it like Bernie, and if the democratic nominee fail this litmus test, he will lose to Trump.

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I never understood Trump supporters or why people support trump. I can somehow understand why some certain "white folks" supports him as in the age of globalization and immigration, they feel threatened and the "master race" is no longer dominant(actually that's still debateable). but I never understood to this day how other folks can support him. What is it about him that attracts voters? He is probably one of the most repulsive man to ever walk this earth...forget presidency. I try to find 1000 excuses for him but i got none.
A very good question. Why people support Trump? I believe win of Trump and other far right candidates exposes a fundamental weakness of democracy.

Democracy by definition is supposed to be the rule of majority (but not tyranny of the majority over the minority), but the flaw of this definition is that it often allows cultish personality to rise to power. There is no check and balance in democracy to prevent the rise of such personality. Hitler came to power through democracy means. So have been Trump, Bolsonerao, Duterte, and others.

This turns Democracy to a popularity contest. To win this popularity contest, in modern times in US for example, you need two things: name recognition and charisma. Trump had name recognition, and like it or not, he has charisma, like that of Bill Clinton and Obama. It might be negative charisma, but he has a larger than life presence. Plus he has the ability to entertain. He is a reality show star after all. You need to entertain people or captivate them to win a popularity contest. Obama did it with his soaring speeches. Trump does it with his innovative monikers, racist and outrageous remarks, and so on.

Why do people fall for it? See, politics is not about being rational; politics is often about emotional appeal. Majority of the voters are not political junkies like me. They are not policy wonks. For majority of them, it is about feeling good, hearing what they want to hear, and getting entertained. And this is more true in the hedonist world we live it – it is not about thinking far ahead or thinking about the repercussions of a specific policy, but it is all about living the moment and feeling good. Therefore the Trump strategy works. He is incoherent, does not know what he is talking about, contradicts himself every two seconds, but so what? He is entertaining people and people are having good time in his rallies.

See, even some rational posters here have fallen for Trump and failed to discern many of his cons.

Aside from his charisma and ability to entertain, two other factors work for Trump. First, his low intelligence or lack thereof and the holier than thou attitude of media. It is obvious that Trump is a not very bright man-child. Therefore, when he says or does something outrageous, people are dumbfounded and do not know how to react. It is like your cute daughter doing outrageous stuff, but you not being able to discipline her, because you do not know how to react because of your own love and her empowering innocence. The analogy might not be completely accurate, but the low IQ man-child factor I believe allows him to receive public sympathy at the end of the day, much like how the goofiness and foolishness of Bush 43 helped him. As for the media’s coverage of Trump, they often produce fake and uncalled for outrage about Trump’s language or behavior, and ignore the policy backstabbing he is doing behind the resolute desk, and come across as smug and self-righteous. This holier than thou attitude of mainstream media only emboldens Trump’s ‘me victim’ image, and when he screams ‘fake news’, it sticks even when the media is right on rare occasions.

And finally, there is the perplexing situation of no scandal, no mud, nothing sticking to him. Everything just bounces of Trump. Why? I think this is because Trump is so amoral and so soulless that he just does not live in the existing reality. Yes, all politicians live in their own bubble, but still, they have some connection with the reality. Therefore, when they lie, even if they lie without hesitation, their body language at least emanates hesitation. NOT with Trump. He lies, and because of living in an alternative reality, he lies with force and boldness that is truly unparalleled. He can kill someone before your eyes and he can deny it right away, without even flinching. Of course you do not want the most powerful man on earth to live in an alternative reality, but by living in an alternative reality, Trump comes across as STRONG even while lying and being hypocrite. And when it comes to leaders, human beings, especially republicans, have weakness for strong personalities.

I agree with your observation about closet Trump supporters. They are indeed big in numbers, and they were big in 2016 too. Trump remains a formidable opponent in 2020, and if democrats take him lightly, they will only dig their own grave.
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TobeFair though I don't agree with many of the things you write here but I really enjoy reading your interesting perspective on many subject matters. nice post.

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