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Old July 7, 2019, 02:46 AM
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Default Teams batting first are getting an unfair advantage in this tournament

Looking at the results , over 65% of the matches have been won by the team batting first , this is the problem with flat pitches . Yesterday even Australia could not successfully chase down South Africa's total and they are in the top 2 while South Africa had a poor tournament. Now if the gap is too big between sides it is not a problem as is the case with India and Sri Lanka but it is frustrating to see toss deciding matches.
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Old July 7, 2019, 02:49 AM
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Thanks Rifat for opening this thread - this injustice must be spoken about

Here is al Furqan's nice breakdown from another thread:

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That having been said, I think luck plays a factor. In all of our critical must-win games, we had to chase. Chasing was very difficult at this world cup. 27 games were won by the team batting 1st and only 14 won by teams chasing. That is almost a 2-1 ratio.

If you ignore matches against the 3 weakest sides, Afghanistan, WI, and Sri Lanka (finished 6th only because of 2 rain outs), then the results are even more stark. 16 wins for the team batting 1st, and only 4 for the teams chasing a target. That is a 4-1 ratio.

This meant it was very much a "set a target" tournament, and Bangladesh were already at a disadvantage when they lost the toss against Australia, India, and Pakistan. All 3 could have possibly been won, given the batting form we had.

Further look at the highest successful chases in this world cup:

Bangladesh 322 (vs weak WI bowling attack)
India 265 (vs weak SL bowling attack)
New Zealand 245 (vs weak BD bowling attack)
New Zealand 242 (vs SA)
Pakistan 238 (vs NZ)

The highest successful chase against a good bowling attack was only 242 by NZ and 238 by Pakistan. This was very much a tournament where if you scored 250+, you would most likely defend it and win.
ICC must answer this!
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Old July 7, 2019, 02:55 AM
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But...

We defied this logic against WIndies, and WIndies bowling was not that weak when they bowled to PAK and decimated them to 106.
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Old July 7, 2019, 03:01 AM
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But...

We defied this logic against WIndies, and WIndies bowling was not that weak when they bowled to PAK and decimated them to 106.
That was exception and not the norm.
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Old July 7, 2019, 03:03 AM
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My Previous prediction

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England will not win the cup. Their own high-scoring pitches will be their own undoing.

Against weaker teams, who have weak bowling or indisciplined fielding, high scoring pitches favor England because no matter the target, they can chase it down. Also, weaker teams usually fall short in chasing a big target.

This will not be the case against IND, SA, and AUS, especially if ENG has to chase. England bowling is weaker, and if they are set a 350+ target, against a disciplined fielding and tight bowling, they will fail 66% of the time.

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4. As I had predicted, high scoring pitches will give advantage to the team batting first. No matter how good your batting is, more often than not, you will be unable to chase down the target once you concede 350+ runs.
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Old July 7, 2019, 04:35 PM
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Don't matter, Mash would have won the toss and chose to bowl first instead lol
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Old July 7, 2019, 04:38 PM
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Don't matter, Mash would have won the toss and chose to bowl first instead lol



yes.... because he has high confidence in his own bowling.
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Old July 7, 2019, 05:04 PM
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Ok this gives me little bit of relief considering how our WC ended
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Old July 8, 2019, 02:51 AM
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https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_...3580/undefined
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Old July 8, 2019, 08:46 AM
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We were unlucky in the tournament too with toss and such.
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Old July 8, 2019, 09:56 AM
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Most of the pitches get significantly difficult to bat as the day progresses. Madness.
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