Bangladesh.....why u so flat?? :(

[Donal C]

Why put out so many flat pitches these days??

I could understand back in 2006 when you where totally outclassed in tests, but now you actually have a chance at winning!! Prepare some turners or bouncy tracks!! As a neutral i HATE flat test pitches that lead to high scoring bore draws like the first test will almost certainly be.


Put out a turner, give your bowlers a chance and produce some exciting test matches!!

[mufi_02]

If there was any help for the bowlers from the pitch, it remained buried deep under the solidity of the two batsmen. The ball reversed, but often found the middle of the bat; it turned, too, but was regularly carted away over the boundary ropes.

Pakistan's spinners were constantly made to adjust their lengths as both batsmen jumped out of the crease without warning.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/banglade...ry/868769.html

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while the pitch generally is flat, but seems like it did open up. seamers got reverse swings and spinners got turns.

I agree with you that such flat pitches makes it a run fest but at the same time I think Tamim/Kayes played exceptionally well and was positive.

[cricman]

We put a little grass on the Wicket and Stuart Binny ended up with 6/9

Haven't seen a Sporting Wicket, which was a fair for both the Batsmen and Bowler ever. All we do is produce these slow and low turners.

Chittagong and Fatullah Venues historically have been better than Dhaka in terms of Pitches that have something for the Bowler.

[al Furqaan]

Originally Posted by cricman
We put a little grass on the Wicket and Stuart Binny ended up with 6/9

Haven't seen a Sporting Wicket, which was a fair for both the Batsmen and Bowler ever. All we do is produce these slow and low turners.

Chittagong and Fatullah Venues historically have been better than Dhaka in terms of Pitches that have something for the Bowler.

Wrong.

That was a typical flat Mirpur track. Maybe the rainy season made things a bit mucky, but there was no mythical grass or greentops or WACA like bounce. Both teams batted poorly.

Taskin got his wickets with genuinely decent bowling. Was nothing extraordinary except that he was 19 and on debut. And the fact that the pitch WAS NOT seam friendly.

Binny got his wickets purely due to atrocious strokeplay from a team stuck in the worst bat-ball curse since that of the Great Bambino.

Binny bowled 1/100th as well as Taskin and ended up with figures 100 times greater. That is the game of cricket.

[horizon]

Originally Posted by al Furqaan
Wrong.

That was a typical flat Mirpur track. Maybe the rainy season made things a bit mucky, but there was no mythical grass or greentops or WACA like bounce. Both teams batted poorly.

Taskin got his wickets with genuinely decent bowling. Was nothing extraordinary except that he was 19 and on debut. And the fact that the pitch WAS NOT seam friendly.

Binny got his wickets purely due to atrocious strokeplay from a team stuck in the worst bat-ball curse since that of the Great Bambino.

Binny bowled 1/100th as well as Taskin and ended up with figures 100 times greater. That is the game of cricket.

Strange enough, neither Indians nor Bangladeshis even bother to appreciate Binny for his spell. Come on, it was a really good spell and he did absolutely what was needed. He didn't even bowl with the new ball.

This is what was noted before the match -
http://www.espncricinfo.com/banglade...iew=commentary
According to Athar Ali Khan, there's some live grass on the pitch. I suppose this is why both India and Bangladesh bolstered their seam attack at the expense of a spinner each.
So the pitch did have help for seamers and that's why teams dropped spinners to accommodate extra pacers.

[al Furqaan]

Originally Posted by horizon
Strange enough, neither Indians nor Bangladeshis even bother to appreciate Binny for his spell. Come on, it was a really good spell and he did absolutely what was needed. He didn't even bowl with the new ball.

This is what was noted before the match -
http://www.espncricinfo.com/banglade...iew=commentary
According to Athar Ali Khan, there's some live grass on the pitch. I suppose this is why both India and Bangladesh bolstered their seam attack at the expense of a spinner each.
So the pitch did have help for seamers and that's why teams dropped spinners to accommodate extra pacers.

There was no exaggerated movement. It wasn't a green top nor had excessive bounce. Binny didn't bowl a single Jaffa (neither did Taskin).

[horizon]

Originally Posted by al Furqaan
There was no exaggerated movement. It wasn't a green top nor had excessive bounce. Binny didn't bowl a single Jaffa (neither did Taskin).

And then where did 100 times better bowling come from? Leaving average Binny bowling on a not so green subcontinent track, how come Binny conceded only 4 runs in 4.4 overs? Even if I assume wickets are thrown away, but runs?
Whatever angle you look at it was good bowling. It could be once in a lifetime but single performance also happens all throughout the sports world.

[imtiaz82]

Has to do with our inexperienced bowling attack for test mathces and thus the coach and management staff can't depend on them yet. For example, our best spinner Taijul is only playing his six test, Jubair the leg spinner is 19/20 years old and has played one series against Zim before this. Shakib has lost touch in test bowling due to all the T20 leagues he has been playing.. Rubel has average of 75+ in test and Shahadat is just as hopeless.

But I believe that in another 2-3 years, Bangladesh will start creating pitches for bowlers when talents like Taskin, Mustafizur and Jubair are more mature and in the side.

[Tigers_eye]

Originally Posted by Donal C
Why put out so many flat pitches these days??

The pitch is not that flat just because the openers got the upper hand. It is turning and reverse swinging. The only thing was it didn't have the cracks a 4th day pitch should have. We got a result on this pitch last time we played. The quality of opponents are better and that is why it looks like heading towards a draw. Draws are part of the game. It is not a must to have a result in Test cricket.

[bodrul]

From our experience, we have learned the following piece of wisdom:

"পরের জন্য খাদ করলে নিজেই খাদে পরতে হয়।"

Therefore, when it comes to tests at home, we take the safest option, and that is: make roads. Batting is our strength and it is therefore no brainer that we make roads. If you want to beat us at home, bring the bowling fire power of Australia or SA.

[Donal C]

Sorry guys but bore high scoring draws are literally the worst thing about cricket and serve absolutely no purpose.

Draws can be great e.g. Sri Lanka vs England, but in those situations the result is in doubt and every ball can be a wicket taker.

Regardless of how flat you think the pitch is, point is there have been

- 1 200
- 2 unbeaten 100's
- 6 50's

In 4 days of cricket. Thats a complete joke IMO.

Bangladesh have reached a point now where draws on highways shouldnt be the aim, but actually winning is.

In 20 years nobody will ever remember a draw where about 7 wickets fell in 5 days, but everyone will remember either a) A win brought about by being more adventurous with pitches or b) a nail biting draw.

In this day and age tests need to be damn good to draw any attention, having scores like 623 ao, 273/0 and 350 arent going to do that.

[mufi_02]

Originally Posted by Donal C
Sorry guys but bore high scoring draws are literally the worst thing about cricket and serve absolutely no purpose.

Draws can be great e.g. Sri Lanka vs England, but in those situations the result is in doubt and every ball can be a wicket taker.

Regardless of how flat you think the pitch is, point is there have been

- 1 200
- 2 unbeaten 100's
- 6 50's

In 4 days of cricket. Thats a complete joke IMO.

Bangladesh have reached a point now where draws on highways shouldnt be the aim, but actually winning is.

In 20 years nobody will ever remember a draw where about 7 wickets fell in 5 days, but everyone will remember either a) A win brought about by being more adventurous with pitches or b) a nail biting draw.

In this day and age tests need to be damn good to draw any attention, having scores like 623 ao, 273/0 and 350 arent going to do that.

its just not flat wicket but cricket in general across all formats. ODIs and T20s are very high scoring now. 300 scores in ODI are par in ODIs these days. But once upon a time scoring 250 meant you won the game. this high scoring approach has transferred to test matches as well.

while the pitch is flat, there are many other factors that causes this run fests. both sides are packed with solid batsmen. very few penetrating bowlers in either sides. so of course batsmen will score. get steyn/johnson here and no one will score past 500.

[the_realist]

Originally Posted by Donal C
Why put out so many flat pitches these days??

I could understand back in 2006 when you where totally outclassed in tests, but now you actually have a chance at winning!! Prepare some turners or bouncy tracks!! As a neutral i HATE flat test pitches that lead to high scoring bore draws like the first test will almost certainly be.


Put out a turner, give your bowlers a chance and produce some exciting test matches!!

Question should be "Bangladesh.....why ur bowlers headless chicken?"

We don't have good enough bowlers to try to win a game. Until then we better keep drawing. Even in 2006 we had similar pitches, the difference was that then we didn't have good enough batsmen to play long innings. So, our next target is to have better bowlers.

We shouldn't care about whether the cricket is boring or not, it's a result oriented business. Like Jose Mourinho, we must grind out results, even if they are boring draws.

[Mas_UK25]

lol I dont agree with these kinds wickets for test. But, when BD bats well its flat only?. when Pk batted them out for 2 and half days or so, its 'why BD are so poor bowling side', 'Pakistan doing it with ease' - and Not; 'why the pitch is so flat?' .. similar thing some people reacted when BD made that huge score over 600 runs and mushy socred double ton in SL. Saying, its so flat, bad for test not good etc etc.

Lets have some different thoughts plz. BD batted amazingly well, under tremendous pressure, first innings deficit, to get to where they are know its unheard of in BD test history, so full credit goes to BD, pitch flat or not!

Pitch is flat, its flat for both. Not when BD bats well.

[Nadim]

amra valo korlei manusher chulkani shuru hoye jay flat wicket etc

[M.H.Rubel]

Originally Posted by Nadim
amra valo korlei manusher chulkani shuru hoye jay flat wicket etc

I love your witty posts.

[Jadukor]

Why is it that everytime we bat well its a flat wicket and everytime we win its a weak opposition? Really annoying

[Max100]

Originally Posted by Jadukor
Why is it that everytime we bat well its a flat wicket and everytime we win its a weak opposition? Really annoying

so true

when we win--question arises

1. weak opposition?
2. transition phase?
3. how many injured player?
4. flat wicket

tired of this BS

[Donal C]

Where did I say only Bangladesh have benefitted??

Pitch is a highway for both teams. Its the fact that said pitch is a highway thats annoying me, not that Bangladesh have done well.

Take nothing away from Kayes and Tamim who've played brilliantly, but you cannot for one second look me in the eye and tell me this pitch isnt heaven for batsmen

[the_realist]

Originally Posted by Donal C


Where did I say only Bangladesh have benefitted??

Pitch is a highway for both teams. Its the fact that said pitch is a highway thats annoying me, not that Bangladesh have done well.

Take nothing away from Kayes and Tamim who've played brilliantly, but you cannot for one second look me in the eye and tell me this pitch isnt heaven for batsmen

So what if it is? What's wrong with that? We don't have genuine good bowlers to win matches, so we better draw, what's wrong with that? If Chelsea/Inter Milan can play all out defensive, what's wrong with us playing defensive?

[Donal C]

Originally Posted by the_realist
So what if it is? What's wrong with that? We don't have genuine good bowlers to win matches, so we better draw, what's wrong with that? If Chelsea/Inter Milan can play all out defensive, what's wrong with us playing defensive?

Because, unlike football, test cricket is shrinking rapidly and in order for it to have any sort of meaning nowadays games should be exciting, not processions of 100's and 50's and 200's.

This goes for any team tbh, I HATE test pitches that are flat like this, regardless of where the game is taking place. They should be banned. People who are willing to watch a 5 day game deserve some suspense, thrills and good finishes, not a meaningless draw that we saw coming from miles away

[Tigers_eye]

Originally Posted by Donal C
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This goes for any team tbh, I HATE test pitches that are flat like this, regardless of where the game is taking place. They should be banned...

Do you hate ODI/T20 pitches that are flat like this, regardless of where the game is taking place and should those be banned as well?

[Donal C]

Originally Posted by Tigers_eye
Do you hate ODI/T20 pitches that are flat like this, regardless of where the game is taking place and should those be banned as well?

Hell yes. The Aussie pitches in the last WC were a disgrace. Bat first - win the game.

I dont mind the occasional flat pitch in ODI's, but when they come every single game 50's and 100's become meaningless and the game gets really boring.

In tests its even worse. In an ODI its one thing as a game is relatively short and players will go hard at it to score quick, but in tests it just leads to the game meandering out into nowhere as teams pile on runs while at the same time going at a RR like 4.

Tests are dying outside England and Australia, anyone can see that, these massive run fests and pitches like Galle are part of why thats happening. People who want massive runs are already watching IPL and ODI's, not tests

[bodrul]

Originally Posted by Donal C
Because, unlike football, test cricket is shrinking rapidly and in order for it to have any sort of meaning nowadays games should be exciting, not processions of 100's and 50's and 200's.

This goes for any team tbh, I HATE test pitches that are flat like this, regardless of where the game is taking place. They should be banned. People who are willing to watch a 5 day game deserve some suspense, thrills and good finishes, not a meaningless draw that we saw coming from miles away

It is not the job of Bangladesh to keep test cricket alive.

Our job is to secure what is best for us, and given our current bowling capability, draw is the most realistic result for us.

According to you, people only remember wins or nail biting draws. This is wrong. Whenever stats pop up, you see three columns: W, D, or L. Of course we want to be remembered as winners, but if that is not possible, then it is better to be remembered as drawers (do not know if this is a term ) than as losers.

And you want suspense/entertainment? Wasn't the fightback of Tamim and Imrul a great treat?

[epitaph]

Originally Posted by Donal C
Sorry guys but bore high scoring draws are literally the worst thing about cricket and serve absolutely no purpose.

Draws can be great e.g. Sri Lanka vs England, but in those situations the result is in doubt and every ball can be a wicket taker.

Regardless of how flat you think the pitch is, point is there have been

- 1 200
- 2 unbeaten 100's
- 6 50's

In 4 days of cricket. Thats a complete joke IMO.

Bangladesh have reached a point now where draws on highways shouldnt be the aim, but actually winning is.

In 20 years nobody will ever remember a draw where about 7 wickets fell in 5 days, but everyone will remember either a) A win brought about by being more adventurous with pitches or b) a nail biting draw.

In this day and age tests need to be damn good to draw any attention, having scores like 623 ao, 273/0 and 350 arent going to do that.

You're making it sound like we've been drawing tests regularly and should be looking to win now when we've been losing for an eternity, have a poor attack, finally have decent batting, and should consider a trend of draws to be the next logical step.

The pitch is batting-friendly for sure, but it's not an absolute highway as you're making it out to be. The ball did reverse and spin for the Pakistani bowlers yesterday, and Tamim was hitting good balls for boundaries for fun. He's in supreme form and was excellent from the start. To not recognize that means one couldn't/didn't observe his technique on display or isn't giving credit where it's due. Imrul also began picking them up as well later on, but that happens with any batsman after he faces 200 deliveries and scores a 100.

Due credit is also not being given to Bangladeshi captaincy/field placings and bowling (bar Taijul on Day 4). They were god awful.

Originally Posted by Donal C
Because, unlike football, test cricket is shrinking rapidly and in order for it to have any sort of meaning nowadays games should be exciting, not processions of 100's and 50's and 200's.

This goes for any team tbh, I HATE test pitches that are flat like this, regardless of where the game is taking place. They should be banned. People who are willing to watch a 5 day game deserve some suspense, thrills and good finishes, not a meaningless draw that we saw coming from miles away

I think Bangladesh is rightfully more concerned about results (draws are positive results for us atm) than being a torch-bearer of cricket or a circus act for entertainment purposes for neutral fans.

Though, I don't see how this test has been completely void of any entertainment. We saw BD batsmen and Pakistani fielders struggling with BD putting up a decent total on Day 1 only to witness them collapse on Day 2 with Pak coming back strongly. After some horrible LOIs, we saw Pak batsmen doing a 180. Then, yesterday, the Tamim-Imrul partnership was amazing and set up an exciting Day 5. It might end in a draw, but it hasn't been completely void of entertainment or talking points, and a full five days worth of test cricket (looks like it's heading that way - knock on wood) is always better than an innings defeat.