Zimbabwe tour of Bangladesh | Oct-Nov 2018 | Pre-Series Discussion Thread

[al Furqaan]

Originally Posted by Roey Haque
The fact Nurul did not get a chance tells me Bd is not a serious team, and don't have any serious ambitions of making it far into the world cup.

I'm a huge fan of both Nurul and Mosaddek, but neither of them really fit in the ODI side. Neither has proven they are big hitters - a role we sorely need down the order. Both could probably bat up the order and do a good job - better than Shanto and Liton's present records perhaps (excluding LKD's last innings). But the Big 4 are too good, and neither of those guys is an opener, so they are essentially competing for 1 spot which is now going to Shanto, which is fair enough.

Both are a must for the Test XI however.

[Tigers_eye]

http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/...mbabwe-cricket


A good article of Zim upcoming players. They need to be competitive.

[Rifat]

Originally Posted by ahnaf
So we are sticking with imrul. One step forward two step backward. We already know what imrul has to offer. He is 30+ year old. Suddenly he is not gonna become a consistent performer. Give others a chance, if they fail you can always bring him back.

I think it's clear that soumya is in our plan for worldclup. Then why he is dropped? This would have been the perfect opportunity for him score some run. I guess mominul can say goodbye to shorter format cricket. You bring someone to the team after 3-4 years, at least give the guy a fair chance before ditching him again.

Anyway, I hope ariful will play all three matches. Hopefully he will deliver.

Imrul has been very successful since 2016. After Tamim, Imrul has been the most prolific Opening Batsmen in ODI's. No one else even comes close. Soumya was only in 2015... Litton just has one ODI ton to show for it...other than than Imrul has done ok in Asia cup to be persisted with. He should have done better against Pakistan and India in the final but his Innings against Afghanistan (also Mahmudullah's innings) got Bangladesh out of trouble and kept us in Asia cup.



We could certainly use Imrul's experience in World cup 2019...

Note: Image taken before Litton Ton....(Now Litton averages 20)

[MarufH]

My order of preference:

Imrul
Liton
Shanto
Mushi
fazle
Mahmudullah
Mithun
Mehedi
mash
rubel
fizz

saifuddin
ariful
abu haider
Apu

[Gowza]

to me most important thing is to give shanto and hider experience, should prob test out ariful as well.

The difference between the Asia cup squad and xi’s compared to this squad is a bit disappointing though.

Imrul and soumya brought into Asia cup late, then both played out of position, then imrul was moved back up top, mominul reintroiduced to odi team after years. Then for this series mominul is dropped, Soumya dropped (could’ve been given a run down the order since they did it in Asia cup).

All over the place, haven’t been stabilising this team at all.

[Eshen]

If they're truly looking for a replacement for Shakib, it should be Miraz promoted in the batting order. He should be told to work on his batting this series.

To accommodate Fazle, I would play Mushfiq and Riyad in turns. This should also help not to worsen their injuries before the Test series.

My line up would be-

Imrul
Liton
Shanto
Fazle
Riyad/Mushfiq
Miraz
Mithun
Arif/Saifuddin
Mash/Rubel/Fizz
Roni
Apu

[Gowza]

Afif is another option for shakib but don’t see much point of bringing him in now unless he plays every ODI and t20 match before the WC, not enough time to prepare him.

[BengaliPagol]

1. Liton
2. Imrul
3. Shanto
4. Riyad
5. Mithun
6. Mehedi
7. Saifuddin
8. Mashrafe
9. Abu Haider
10. Rubel
11. Nazmul Islam

[Eshen]

^^Like your team BP. Having an extra pacer may be wise in October, in D/N condition.

However, if we take three specialist pacers, I would like to see Arif ahead of Saifuddin, to bolster batting.

[BD_TigerZ]

Mushfiqur's insecurity is disturbing..

My ODI 11

Imrul
Liton
Shanto
Mushfiq
Miraz
Riyad
Ariful
Saifuddin
Mash
Fizz
Apu

[BD_TigerZ]

Of all the uncapped players they could have picked they pick Fazle.. What has this guy done to get in the squad?

Afif and Zakir deserved to be in the squad.

[godzilla]

Originally Posted by Eshen
If they're truly looking for a replacement for Shakib, it should be Miraz promoted in the batting order. He should be told to work on his batting this series.

This I agree with. He was playing as an allrounder back in U19 WC. Made some decent scores aswell. If we have any hope of replacement after shakib, it's this kid who has to fill his shoes.

[zura]

Shakib is a left-arm spinner and Miraz is right arm. Both of them played together and isn't a replacement for the other. We need a left arm spin all-rounder to replace Shakib.

[tiger1000]

Originally Posted by zura
Shakib is a left-arm spinner and Miraz is right arm. Both of them played together and isn't a replacement for the other. We need a left arm spin all-rounder to replace Shakib.

No one gets like for like replacement

[Rinathq]

We don't have to have an sla allrounder. This series is perfect to play Jubair in the 2 tests.. likely to pick up lots of wickets

Miraz-Taijul-Jubair
That's a spin attack Zim wouldn't last 3 days against

[Roey Haque]

In a way, I am very happy Shanto was tried. If you don't gamble a bit, how else will you discover those next generation talents? From the talent POV, a team is only as good as its players. Guys like Shakibs have to be out there, you need to roll the dice. They should have tried Afif in this series.

At the current state of affairs, calculating in attrition of the seniors, and juniors being dropped too soon,this team will struggle to make it out of the group stage in world cup 2019. Because everyone knows now that Bd cannot play spin.

[al Furqaan]

Originally Posted by Rinathq
We don't have to have an sla allrounder. This series is perfect to play Jubair in the 2 tests.. likely to pick up lots of wickets

Miraz-Taijul-Jubair
That's a spin attack Zim wouldn't last 3 days against

4 Tests when you include the WI series as well.

I'd like to see flat pitches vs ZIM. Doesn't matter if we need full 5 days to win, let the batsmen get some runs and let the spinners work for their wickets.

WI series I want to see traditional SC wickets. Flat for first 3 days, starts turning from day 4 onwards.

[zura]

Originally Posted by tiger1000
No one gets like for like replacement

A left arm spin all-rounder would be a perfect replacement, especially if it's a young player.

[Shadow]

Originally Posted by zura
A left arm spin all-rounder would be a perfect replacement, especially if it's a young player.

Which young slow left arm orthodox all-rounder do you want to see in place of Shakib?

[Rinathq]

Originally Posted by al Furqaan
4 Tests when you include the WI series as well.

I'd like to see flat pitches vs ZIM. Doesn't matter if we need full 5 days to win, let the batsmen get some runs and let the spinners work for their wickets.

WI series I want to see traditional SC wickets. Flat for first 3 days, starts turning from day 4 onwards.

I would slightly disagree with this. We should make traditional SC wickets for all 4 games. Even the best teams like India sticks to their traditional approach to winning games at home. Why should we be any different? I am in favor of making spin friendly wickets throughout and just look to dominate. No point making our players toil through 5 days of cricket when we can wrap it out in 3. And our batsmen need to get better in playing spin or in turning conditions. Making flat wickets will only hide their deficiencies

[zura]

Originally Posted by Rinathq
I would slightly disagree with this. We should make traditional SC wickets for all 4 games. Even the best teams like India sticks to their traditional approach to winning games at home. Why should we be any different? I am in favor of making spin friendly wickets throughout and just look to dominate. No point making our players toil through 5 days of cricket when we can wrap it out in 3. And our batsmen need to get better in playing spin or in turning conditions. Making flat wickets will only hide their deficiencies

Because we aren't like them! Just because something works for them doesn't mean it will work for us. By putting in flat pitches, we are challenging our spinners and that's a good thing in a series against Zimbabwe. In fact I think we should go for 1 flat pitch (not like the Sri Lanka one) and another pace friendly one to get our batsmen used to pace attack which West Indies will bring.

And India used quite flat pitches against West Indies while will make a dustbowl against England.

[Rinathq]

Originally Posted by zura
Because we aren't like them! Just because something works for them doesn't mean it will work for us. By putting in flat pitches, we are challenging our spinners and that's a good thing in a series against Zimbabwe. In fact I think we should go for 1 flat pitch (not like the Sri Lanka one) and another pace friendly one to get our batsmen used to pace attack which West Indies will bring.

And India used quite flat pitches against West Indies while will make a dustbowl against England.

yea you are more interested in challenging our spinners where I am concerned about challenging our batsmen against playing spin. Our batting has been a big problem in tests and making a flat track wont help them improve. And why on earth should we prepare a seam friendly attack against Zimbabwe? Have you ever seen any test side preparing a pitch to the oppositions advantage? India can afford to experiment with a full strength lineup while we are just trying to get half the side get used to international cricket.

[Eshen]

Bashar hints a change in team balance in absence of Shakib, with Saifuddin being preferred at #7 as a bowling allrounder, a slot that generally went to a batsman or batting allrounder in past.

''We have to alter the team composition due to absence of Shakib. We cannot go with the same set-up because in ODIs there are three power-plays in place and one needs to have sufficient bowling strength to earn success here,'' Habibul told Cricbuzz on Saturday.

"Earlier we used to have batting all-rounder but now we wanted to have a bowling all-rounder who bats at seven and can bowl 10 overs. That is why we included Saifuddin,'' he added.

"This series will help us see how it [the bowling all-rounder at seven] fares at the international level,'' said Habibul. 'When we go out at that time we need to have bowlers more than our batsmen [as the batting line-up is more or less settled] and with World Cup being our ultimate goal we have to try all our available options before preparing for the mega event."

https://www.cricbuzz.com/cricket-new...for-bangladesh

I doubt though Saifuddin has enough merit as a batsman to be preferred over even Roni in this regard.

[Jadukor]

Make pitches like we had for our wins vs Australia and england. Miraz can win us the games

[al Furqaan]

Originally Posted by Rinathq
yea you are more interested in challenging our spinners where I am concerned about challenging our batsmen against playing spin. Our batting has been a big problem in tests and making a flat track wont help them improve. And why on earth should we prepare a seam friendly attack against Zimbabwe? Have you ever seen any test side preparing a pitch to the oppositions advantage? India can afford to experiment with a full strength lineup while we are just trying to get half the side get used to international cricket.

Yeah thinking about it, I agree with you.

But I'd like to think that if Fizz plays even a seaming wicket will still be to our advantage against ZIM.