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Old November 5, 2016, 04:42 AM
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Post Gambling gone too far


We are all writing about this since yesterday. Some of us make sense, others don’t. But the intention are all the same. We all have that one question. Why? Or based on what?. The funny thing is, we are all asking a question we know the answer does not exist. At Least not a satisfactory one. But it's a democracy so might as well!

Now, someone said something very crucial recently in banglacricket. He said we have to stop making certain officials scapegoats to our liking. At first the anger was too damm high to consider this interesting notion. But as I calmed my nerves down and had a glass of iced tea, I thought about it. Turns out I too have been part of this blame game for too long. Blaming those that are not “mastermind” enough to pull off such bold decisions. On the other side, they aren’t what I would call stupid either. They are just average people. These selectors are. But why are they making such extraordinary mistakes? I guess it’s not them. Its someone much more intelligent, has a well thought out plan and so far enjoying the success as they come and go.

Make no mistake. This isn’t about vilifying Mr. Chandika. God I wish he would stay with for as long as he possibly can. But hey, everyone makes mistakes and because we live under this age of free speech, I can say whatever I want. We all can! The mere intention is to raise some of his decisions that he could've avoided and it would've almost certainly yielded better output!

Ok I thought that was a good enough intro with a somewhat understandable thesis statement. Grade 6 English right there! Let's get to the point as I don’t want to “lose” my audience as my English teacher used to warn me.

So this squad for the Bangladesh team for this ever so significant tour of New Zealand did manage to shock a lot of fans. When I see a “lot”, I mean everyone that follows our cricket. When you have 50% of the population raises concern about a selection policy, it's a good thing because that can always happen and tells you the other half is with you! Comforting enough! When it starts to go over that 75% mark, that raises an eyebrow. Tells you that you have taken a gamble and the payoff is huge but so is the backlash. But when 100% of the crowd starts voicing against a decision, that's red flag, red light, siren whatever you want to call it. Let's go one by one. First up, Nasir Hossain. The undisciplined, the bad example and the one who you hate as a teacher but he always manages to pass the test and stay in your class. We all know the kind of utility player Nasir Hossain is. I don’t need to go pull up records because it's that obvious. True, there are times when even I felt that I would rather go with a lineup with players of more solid attributes or the capability to perform better in either departments. But not even in my dreams, I would discard someone like Nasir who I know can come to the rescue where ever I need him and however I need him. So first he lost his spot from the 11 which always seemed as sealed as the likes of Shakib, Mahmudullah, Tamim and so on. I guess his lack of improvement played a role in that. Fair enough,, lets bench him and let him work his way back with some determination which is the only thing he could possibly lack. But then, the coach went an extra step in removing him from 14 all together. How Mr.Chandika! That's very confident of you. You basically said, “You maybe good but unless you roll my way, I don’t need you” Good for you! Now we heard more ridiculous rumours and excuses about him then we would if we were to head Star Plus around 9:00Pm every weeknight! One word, Amateur!

Another person who is a victim to a similar situation. My favorite, Al Amin Hossain. Again, dropping someone like him who performs and performs damn well, that takes b’’’s! The reason, same old Star Plus. Neither makes sense but I can tell that wasn’t never their intention. The first excuse we have heard about Al Amin was the lack of discipline and we heard many times dating it back from the 2015 world cup. No one really paid attention because frankly we were doing ok without him. But then he returned, and he returned as someone whose performance you can't avoid even if u are blind. Performed at the big stage and performed at every kind of competition thrown at him. Yet again, when the team so desperately needed a seamer with experience, with control, with the level of effectiveness we lost with Mustafizur’s injury and Taskin remedial work he was Ignored again. And now, the squad against New Zealand basically says, “I will die but I won’t select you” O coach! Why the ego? Correct me if I am wrong (this applies to both Al Amin and Nasir), but when we have a student in the class that’s talented and performing but has a level of arrogance or the tendency to skip homework, what you do with them? Kick em out the class? Gosh I have never seen that but I knew student I wish got kicked out like that Seeing I was neither performing nor talented. But isn’t the right approach which our teachers always did was be patient with them, challenge them, motivate them and usually one of them always works! So this is where am confused about Mr. Chandika’s teaching techniques. Harsh I tell you! So harsh that it is damaging the performance of the school in general!

Now, yes, defenders will come out and say, “Well he is the most successful coach in this history of our cricket, we shouldn’t question him”. Or that pathetic grade 3 comeback, “You think you have the knowledge to challenge someone who is qualified for the job when you are no one?” O damm our beloved Sujon bhai said it himself. He mocked onto saying, we can't have the entire population of 160 million people become selectors! O really? I could answer this in both ways. Nicely, or not so nicely. Nicely would be, “Sujon bhai, did you see this kind of reaction for selection process during the last 2 years?” If no then don’t you think there is a reason why we are all trying to be selectors all of sudden? Not nicely would be telling Mr. Sujon that you possibly can’t think that there aren’t a few thousand people at least within the 160 million that matches the intellectual level of yours which really isn’t anything to brag about in the first place.


The thing is, none of Mr. Chandika’s gambles did not yield much long term solutions. Yes, he brought in discipline and I think that was a must for our team. But his list of gambles are rather alarming. Look at this list! Soumya Sarker, great first few months, and then a major headache for the selectors to come up with the right words to defend him. The coach is still struggling to defend him when the better option would’ve been to reduce pressure by letting him compete at a lower level and work on his issues. Then we had Jubair Hossain. We liked him too but even the coach couldn’t back him up. We had Mithun Ali, we had someone like Mukhtar Ali who was thrown in and out in no time. We had Saqlain Sajib, we had Mosharraf Rubel and now we have Kamrul Islam Rabbi and Shuvagata Hom. That's a pretty depressing list but in essence these are really the selections that the coach was directly rumoured to be involved with. How many of them are responsible for the turnout for Bangladesh cricket over the past 2 years? Barring Soumya (somewhat), NONE! Bad luck or bad at gambling all together?

Now we have this new trend starting up. We are taking a certain number of players in the squad so that they can be in a competitive circle of players and travel to gain experience of foreign conditions. Wow, when I was little, there was this team called “A” team that existed for such experiences. Is it too old school? Or perhaps cost effective I guess. Why send 14 of them when we can take 1-2 extra every time. But the point is, even the biggest defenders of the selection process cannot possibly come what and give an educated explanation on why a navy officer who just became a part time cricketer, an under 19 players who just started playing competitive domestic cricket and a thoroughly untested veteran can suddenly be selected or considered to play in a condition, even the most experienced in the squad have difficulty with. If you think you have an answer to this, please, enlighten us!


My criteria for selection is simple. Pick the ones that are performing NOW, not the ones that performed 2 years ago or the ones that you think will perform 2 years down the road. The leniency should exist only with the core players that have shown that they can comeback from a plunge. Handing out debuts to players does not warrant performance and consistency. We seem to be on a roll with debuts lately and when every other cricketing nation is conservative at that, maybe it's us that is doing something wrong no?

If the intention is to groom upcoming players, that is where you have to invest! You invest in coaches, invest in HP programs, invest in A tours. You don’t groom them by including them at the most competitive level. When they walk in the field with the jersey on, they better be ready! So far, Soumya wasn’t ready yet, Jubair wasn’t ready, Mithun wasn’t ready, Rabbi wasn’t ready, Hom wasn't ready for a comeback and the likes of Ibadat and Shanto are certainly not ready. A team is their place not the national team sir!


It seems to me that the coach has been gambling for too much lately. So much that it has turned into an addiction. He is gambling more every series. Question is, why gamble when you are wining fine by playing safe? Lower your stakes coach and spend the night at the casino. That seems to be working better for you rather than going “All in” as soon as you walk in!


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Old November 5, 2016, 04:44 AM
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rinathq can i use this in my petition
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Old November 5, 2016, 04:46 AM
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rinathq can i use this in my petition
bro read it first, if you like it, you can use it on whatever with credit. Thanks
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Nice read. And too long to be for that petition page IMHO. For the petition thing, I'm not sure what happens when we get 100 supporters, but lets keep the words simple. And keep posting on official pages!
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Old November 5, 2016, 05:03 AM
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for petition, I can send you guys a smaller version.... It doesnt need all those things I said.
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Old November 5, 2016, 05:06 AM
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^ Yup. Just keep it about the new selection panels blunders by pointing out their ... bluders in the last couple of series. As long as it doesn't sound whiny, but series.
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Old November 5, 2016, 06:00 AM
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I totally agree with Rinath bhai, the national team is not the place where the players "Develop" themselves. I would say you were a bit harsh on Soumya because he has shown a lot in 2015.

Playing in the red and green jersey is a matter of national pride and I believe that only deserving players should ever be able to wear the jersey. To get into the national side, players need to perform in the domestics, they need to perform in A team, they need to perform in BPL, perform in U-19 level before being drafted in.

Sorry to say this but I have no faith in this "Ebadot" hossain. He is the brother of my Uni math teacher. And I don't want to insult anyone. But how can someone who hasn't even played 10 professional cricket matches in his life is considered for the main team even?

Can someone also explain me why Abu Haider Rony hasn't been picked for Bangladesh later on and the likes of Shafiul was?
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Well said bruh!!!
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Old November 5, 2016, 07:28 AM
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Good piece. You cannot write like that unless it's from the heart.

Does BCB have an internal affairs team? I think any questionable decision should be investigated to see if any jiggery pokery is involved. You never know. I recently brought some information I heard about CONfiqur from a personal source to light, but it was disallowed by Navo because it broke one of BC's rules. Fair enough. It really was some scandalous stuff. And my only proof was a personal source.

But what I'm saying is, when we are left aghast with such mind blowing decisions, there are inquires to be had. And we need to poke at the corruption with a stick to reveal it.
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A little harsh on Soumya, but yes he needs to be in A team now to get his form back or fix technical issues.

Rest is spot on. The Nasir issue pains and angers me at the same time. They are literally on route to ruining the career of what can be described as arguably one of the all time greatest prospects of BD!
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Thanks for the thread. Agree or not, you are raising very valid questions and you are pointing out the right person who is making the decisions (in question).
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Haturi getting bit too big for his liking. Too muc power and fame now that he is indeed the most successful coach BD cricket history. Too much power and success can be your own downfall at times.

Seriously can't understand his dislikes for Nasir and Al Amin. And he prefers Shuvgata Hom and Shafiul? seriously? Come on ,, if it was few two who were actually better than Nasir and Al Amin then I'm sure no one would complained, but both Hom and Shafiul are miles below the quality of Nasir and Al Amin. And bother Hom and Shafiul most likely won't make it to Ireland XI.


Haturi. Needs to let this obsession go. Fans can turn on him. And things could go wrong in no time.
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Some good points there - thanks for the thread Rinat
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I can not agree with the op.
Going by the posts in this thread looks like it's all Hathor's fault, what about Naan-nu, what about Paap-on khalu ?
We all know Paap on does not like NAsir,
And how do you explain it when Nannu defends his selection.
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Is it HAthuri the gambler when Naan-nu says
-AA & Rubel not picked because they are in poor form and have not played longer version enough
-Hom is a better spinner than NAsir
-SAbbir is our 1st choice as n°7 in tests, after him we thought of Soumya,Mosaddek and NAsir is our 4th choice and team manangement said he has weakness against fast bowlers.

And if HaThor is given too much authority (which I feel too) then it is also BCB's fault.
Let's not make HaTHor-i the main villain here.(eventhough I also blame him for NAs & AA but selectors & BCB are very much involved too)


ALso I don't agree "Soumya was not ready yet ", he won 4 MoM against teams like SA & PAk.
You could have said that for Litleg.
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I can not agree with the op.
Going by the posts in this thread looks like it's all Hathor's fault, what about Naan-nu, what about Paap-on khalu ?
We all know Paap on does not like NAsir,
And how do you explain it when Nannu defends his selection.
Watch here :

Is it HAthuri the gambler when Naan-nu says
-AA & Rubel not picked because they are in poor form and have not played longer version enough
-Hom is a better spinner than NAsir
-SAbbir is our 1st choice as n°7 in tests, after him we thought of Soumya,Mosaddek and NAsir is our 4th choice and team manangement said he has weakness against fast bowlers.

And if HaThor is given too much authority (which I feel too) then it is also BCB's fault.
Let's not make HaTHor-i the main villain here.(eventhough I also blame him for NAs & AA but selectors & BCB are very much involved too)


ALso I don't agree "Soumya was not ready yet ", he won 4 MoM against teams like SA & PAk.
You could have said that for Litleg.
Spot on Simon da

And, what about the players? Aren't they responsible as well for not getting a call?

Al-Amin looked clueless against the English players in the practice match. RBX looked a para player against the Afghans as well.

On Nasir's part he did well against England, thus, he deserves a call in the team which is very unfair ti him.

Also, selecting Rabbi for just one series is not fair to him as well.
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Al-Amin looked clueless against the English players in the practice match.


How did Alamin look clueless?
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^Subashis Roy, looks like did well too.

About Al Amin clueless? Seriously did he mean that?
I'm sure he didn't.

Remember Fatullah is very flat. Roy bowled better than what Rabbir bowled both test's, and even better than Rubels test career. IMO, Roy has a test prospect. Big, tall, heavy shoulders, he will get good bounce and carry.
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Well he would retire from Banglacricket and never come back and then come back to point out how crazy it is in here and then resume retire me.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by simon
I can not agree with the op.
Going by the posts in this thread looks like it's all Hathor's fault, what about Naan-nu, what about Paap-on khalu ?
We all know Paap on does not like NAsir,
And how do you explain it when Nannu defends his selection.
Watch here :

Is it HAthuri the gambler when Naan-nu says
-AA & Rubel not picked because they are in poor form and have not played longer version enough
-Hom is a better spinner than NAsir
-SAbbir is our 1st choice as n°7 in tests, after him we thought of Soumya,Mosaddek and NAsir is our 4th choice and team manangement said he has weakness against fast bowlers.

And if HaThor is given too much authority (which I feel too) then it is also BCB's fault.
Let's not make HaTHor-i the main villain here.(eventhough I also blame him for NAs & AA but selectors & BCB are very much involved too)


ALso I don't agree "Soumya was not ready yet ", he won 4 MoM against teams like SA & PAk.
You could have said that for Litleg.
Simon bhai, what you dont realize is the coach makes EVERY call these days. Nannu is basically a spokes person of the selection committee. Papon just talks, in reality he does not get himself involved in every selection process. He steps in when things are alarmingly wrong.

And what do you expect Nannu to do? Come out and be like I hate the team we just selected? It was a bad selection by us? Cmon you are better then that!!!

-So Al amin and Rubel not picked because of poor form. Really?.... m gonna ask again, really? Do you want me to pull up DPL stats that compares Rabbi, Shafiul with Al Amin? And rubel was injured... and then given 1 game. What form are we talking about here?

Hom is the better spinner then Nasir.

Hom averages 63.25 at an econ of 3.58 in tests.
Nasir averages 51.82 at an econ of 2.87 in tests.

Cant compare ODI because Hom wasnt even trusted in that format. So please defend when you say Hom is the better spinner. Just on bowling alone, Hom does not beat Nasir at any format. Then we factor in his batting and his fielding. O boy thats a sad comparison right there.

And why are you talking about Sabbir as a no.7 in tests? We are talking about a preliminary squad that will go onto playing all 3 formats. Nasir might have been a weak link in test but he is certainly one of the better players in ODI. But now since is he out of the pre squad, that rules him out of every format.
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I have no doubt it is Hathuru's call.
However i dont understand one thing:
While we have known about Nasir and Al Amin being disliked, Rubel has played wonderfully well under Hathuru and Streak in the WC in Australia and subsequent series before injury. When did he fall out of favor with Hathuru?
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This is what we know so far:

Rubel Hossain

- Falls in injury
- His contract isn't renewed, selectors said he didn't follow the rehab program. Rubel says sorry, comes back to Dhaka does the rehab program.
- Is called back to the national team, does not perform in Afghanistan series, thrown out and dropped.
- Afghanistan series, he apparently did not bowl with full run up as well.

My opinion on what happened:
- The physio wasn't happy with Rubel, complained to Coach, the coach in turn complained to selectors.

What should have happened?
- Watch his performance in BPL to see his match fitness and bowling speed. That would have told us. But absolute shame that bowlers like Kamrul, Shuvashish and SHAFOOL (bangladesh's worst bowler ever) are getting chance ahead of this bowler who has been a champion for us and won matches for us. His replacement won't even dream that big.

Alamin
- Quite a political move.
- Has a bust up with management for late night escapades in WC.
- His rumored link as a Jamaati supporter does not help either.
- Out of favour with the coach for unknown reasons.
- Captain visibly angry at his fielding blunders.
- Again dropped for non-cricketing reasons.

My take on what happned?

Sujon wants to protect his job, and exert influence. Once ICC got into the frame asking questions he feared losing his job and wanted to blame it all on Alamin, the cycle really started from there. Coach would have asked him to improve his fielding as well, we don't know what happened there after that.

My take:
One of the best bowlers from Bangladesh, 2nd Highest wicket taker across all format should have been in the squad.

Something that amazes me is how players like Shafiul, Hom, Rabbi, Mosharraf Rubel, Saqlain Sajib, Mithun, Mukhter Ali are picked for no reason and dropped for no reason, without any backing.
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Muktar and Sajib were potential players but they came in and they came out after playing a single match.

They didn't even play for the A team later on
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perfectly summed up Tanvir bhai. Thats exactly what happened I think
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