Bangladesh.....why u so flat?? :(

[Cricket4All]

@ Donal C.

We need to learn how to walk first before we can run.

Similarly we need to learn how to draw a Test match before we plan to win some test matches.

It's simple really.

[Ace of BD]

^ Donal C hasn't taken a ride along with us when we were born in 2000....

[Rifat]

There was once upon a time Bangladesh was super flat and yet Bangladesh bundled out for less than 250 in many occasions at home. older members can confirm. there is a resaon why we so flat at home.

[Nafi]

Id rather lose the second test than have another runs galore draw.... So boring.

[horizon]

Originally Posted by al Furqaan
Wrong.

That was a typical flat Mirpur track. Maybe the rainy season made things a bit mucky, but there was no mythical grass or greentops or WACA like bounce. Both teams batted poorly.

Taskin got his wickets with genuinely decent bowling. Was nothing extraordinary except that he was 19 and on debut. And the fact that the pitch WAS NOT seam friendly.

Binny got his wickets purely due to atrocious strokeplay from a team stuck in the worst bat-ball curse since that of the Great Bambino.

Binny bowled 1/100th as well as Taskin and ended up with figures 100 times greater. That is the game of cricket.

Strange enough, neither Indians nor Bangladeshis even bother to appreciate Binny for his spell. Come on, it was a really good spell and he did absolutely what was needed. He didn't even bowl with the new ball.

This is what was noted before the match -
http://www.espncricinfo.com/banglade...iew=commentary
According to Athar Ali Khan, there's some live grass on the pitch. I suppose this is why both India and Bangladesh bolstered their seam attack at the expense of a spinner each.
So the pitch did have help for seamers and that's why teams dropped spinners to accommodate extra pacers.

[al Furqaan]

Originally Posted by horizon
Strange enough, neither Indians nor Bangladeshis even bother to appreciate Binny for his spell. Come on, it was a really good spell and he did absolutely what was needed. He didn't even bowl with the new ball.

This is what was noted before the match -
http://www.espncricinfo.com/banglade...iew=commentary
According to Athar Ali Khan, there's some live grass on the pitch. I suppose this is why both India and Bangladesh bolstered their seam attack at the expense of a spinner each.
So the pitch did have help for seamers and that's why teams dropped spinners to accommodate extra pacers.

There was no exaggerated movement. It wasn't a green top nor had excessive bounce. Binny didn't bowl a single Jaffa (neither did Taskin).

[bodrul]

Ashol koth holo, onek manusher bhetore jole (hingshar agune) amra bhalo khele, draw korle, ba century korle. Tara chai amra shudhu hari. Kintu shorashori to ar bolte pare na, ei jonno iniye biniye boredom, flat pitch eishob ojuhate amader boka baniye nijer gopon shartho choritartho korte chay.

Eder theke 100 haat dure thakun!

[the_realist]

Originally Posted by Rifat
There was once upon a time Bangladesh was super flat and yet Bangladesh bundled out for less than 250 in many occasions at home. older members can confirm. there is a resaon why we so flat at home.

Exactly. We are much improved these days as a batting side, we often had batting heavens, but our batting was piss poor, so poor that even in heavens they couldn't enjoy the apple.

[horizon]

Originally Posted by al Furqaan
There was no exaggerated movement. It wasn't a green top nor had excessive bounce. Binny didn't bowl a single Jaffa (neither did Taskin).

And then where did 100 times better bowling come from? Leaving average Binny bowling on a not so green subcontinent track, how come Binny conceded only 4 runs in 4.4 overs? Even if I assume wickets are thrown away, but runs?
Whatever angle you look at it was good bowling. It could be once in a lifetime but single performance also happens all throughout the sports world.

[the_realist]

Originally Posted by Donal C
Because, unlike football, test cricket is shrinking rapidly and in order for it to have any sort of meaning nowadays games should be exciting, not processions of 100's and 50's and 200's.

This goes for any team tbh, I HATE test pitches that are flat like this, regardless of where the game is taking place. They should be banned. People who are willing to watch a 5 day game deserve some suspense, thrills and good finishes, not a meaningless draw that we saw coming from miles away

Bangladesh is not Australia or England, that we should care about the future of test cricket. As the big three have hogged all the power of world cricket, they should take the responsibility of protecting test cricket. After all, with power comes responsibility. We are the Burnleys, the Leicesters of world cricket. We are bound to play defensive cricket as we don't have the Ronaldos, the Messis of world cricket.

[syedmahm]

Originally Posted by Donal C
Because, unlike football, test cricket is shrinking rapidly and in order for it to have any sort of meaning nowadays games should be exciting, not processions of 100's and 50's and 200's.

This goes for any team tbh, I HATE test pitches that are flat like this, regardless of where the game is taking place. They should be banned. People who are willing to watch a 5 day game deserve some suspense, thrills and good finishes, not a meaningless draw that we saw coming from miles away

Hate is a strong word. You can hate flat pitches as much as you want. Bangladesh cricket team are hated globally for not being able to compete in tests. Drawing is better than losing. There is nothing wrong being a host country to make pitch according to the team's potential. If we can draw matches by making flat pitch, that’s all good enough for me. We don't have good quality bowlers, so until that happens, flat pitch is probably the better option. As I have already said, it's all about taking the advantage of the home condition and post better result than losing.

Some people would have loved if Bangladesh lost the match, which was the very likely situation after the 3rd day of play. About thrill, did you closely watch 4th day, when Bangladesh took all 5 remaining Pakistan's wickets in 35 odd runs? And if that's not enough, then it was a treat to watch how our openers fought under pressure of a potential innings defeat. Believe me, every run was a treat to watch. It's about how you see the game.

[horizon]

I'm in full support of Bangladesh strategy to go for a flat pitches as Srilanka does. Only thing is that they should continue trying for a win with a spin against NZ or England.

[Donal C]

Its a perfectly valid strategy to go for draws rather than risk losing, but if you go that route and games continue to be this boring then why would anyone watch the draws in the first place? May as well play more ODI's in that case

[Cricket4All]

Originally Posted by Donal C
Its a perfectly valid strategy to go for draws rather than risk losing, but if you go that route and games continue to be this boring then why would anyone watch the draws in the first place? May as well play more ODI's in that case

The Khulna stadium was full house for all 5 days. So it's not valid point.

[Donal C]

Originally Posted by Cricket4All
The Khulna stadium was full house for all 5 days. So it's not valid point.

What happens if these kind of games occur all the time though?

Gradually people will lose interest and shift focus to other formats

[horizon]

Originally Posted by Cricket4All
The Khulna stadium was full house for all 5 days. So it's not valid point.

How many Test matches does Khulna get?

[syedmahm]

Originally Posted by Cricket4All
The Khulna stadium was full house for all 5 days. So it's not valid point.

My brother lives in Khulna, He said, a 100 tk ticket was selling at 500 tk in the black market. He could not get one!

[imtiaz82]

^^^ I don't understand what is wrong with some people.This is not the only test match in history where more than 500+ runs has been scored.. There are numerous test matches in Srilanka and India where matches were drawn due to high scores. Infact there are examples of many 600 and 700 + scores.

Bangladesh is the youngest test side and we have never drawn test matches against Pakistan in 8 previous occasions. Ok.. so the pitch was bit flat, so what? We have to start somewhere and build from there. As I said before in another 2-3 years, once new young bowlers like Taskin, Mustafizur and Jubair matures, we will also start having wickets that offer a bit more to bowlers. Also, just because wicket is flat doesn't mean batsman can go out there and score double century, Bangladesh lost 7 wickets in first innings in less than 90 runs and Pakistan lost last 5 wickets cheaply also. So let's give some credit to the batsmen as well.

[syedmahm]

Originally Posted by imtiaz82
^^^ I don't understand what is wrong with some people.This is not the only test match in history where more than 500+ runs has been scored.. There are numerous examples from test matches in Srilanka and India where matches were drawn due to high scores. Infact there are examples of many 600 and 700 + scores.

Bangladesh is the youngest test side and we have never drawn test matches against Pakistan in 8 previous occasions. Ok.. so the pitch was bit flat, so what? We have to start somewhere and build from there. As I said before in another 2-3 years, once new young bowlers like Taskin, Mustafizur and Jubair matures, we will also start having wickets that offer a bit more to bowlers. Also, just because wicket is flat doesn't mean batsman can go out there and score double century, Bangladesh lost 7 wickets in first innings in less than 90 runs and Pakistan lost last 5 wickets cheaply also. So let's give some credit to the batsmen as well.

Obviously some people apparently did not follow that part of the game or don’t want to talk about that.

[horizon]

I was reading back in this thread and realized the close Test between Bangladesh and Pakistan in 2003. 12 years later what's the improvement you see compared to that match?

[WarWolf]

Originally Posted by horizon
I was reading back in this thread and realized the close Test between Bangladesh and Pakistan in 2003. 12 years later what's the improvement you see compared to that match?

We will see that specific improvement in the next match in sha Allah.

[zman]

Did you watch India vs Aus test series especially the Sydney test?
http://www.espncricinfo.com/australi...ch/754743.html

See what Ryan Harris had to say...

Harris said he felt at times as though he was little more than “a bowling machine” on the batsman-friendly decks that saw opposing captains Steve Smith and Virat Kohli break all sorts of long-standing records. “The disappointing thing about the wickets we played on this summer, they were just so flat,” Harris told SEN’s The Run Home program.
http://www.cricket.com.au/news/ryan-...ies/2015-01-13

[Donal C]

Perhaps I made a mistake with the thread title, as ppl seem to think i'm referring to Bangladesh only.

Test pitches everywhere bar England these days are generally flat, its just the recent very flat Ban pitch prompted this thread.

Look at the recent Eng-WI test, While thats the other extreme (too bowling friendly) I'd gladly take that pitch over any flat one

[Night_wolf]

off topic: Donal are u Donal Cozzie the PPCL official reporter in PakPassion?

[Donal C]

Originally Posted by Night_wolf
off topic: Donal are u Donal Cozzie the PPCL official reporter in PakPassion?

Yeah, that reporter thing was for the sim league they ran. Havent done it in like 6 months so no idea why I still have that title haha