Fickle-minded batting order!!

Ahmed_B · #1 July 20, 2007, 05:37 AM

You put up a quiz of arranging a batting order with the current ODI squad that BD has with 10 random people.... and 7 out of them would probably come up with this one:

Tamim
SN
Aftab
Saqib
Ash
Tushar
Mushfiq
.....
Others

*NO3 position is for an in-form dependable batsman ... why did the management/captain think that Tushar was that person?!!
*With a 90+ match-winning innings just in the last game... what was Aftab doing @ no.6?!!
*Aftab has been playing @ no.3 for ages! what were they smoking while the sent 'not so impressive yet' Tushar there?!!!
*Coming at the wicket after 5 wickets down.... he was forced to survive than take the game anywhere positive!! Pay the price now!

"Won game lost!!"

How many more years do we have to put up with these sorta rubbish decisions from the management?!!

Baundule · #2 July 20, 2007, 06:21 AM

"Won game lost!!" says it all.
I hate these losers.

Shaan · #3 July 20, 2007, 06:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ahmed_B
You put up a quiz of arranging a batting order with the current ODI squad that BD has with 10 random people.... and 7 out of them would probably come up with this one:

Tamim
SN
Aftab
Saqib
Ash
Tushar
Mushfiq
.....
Others

*NO3 position is for an in-form dependable batsman ... why did the management/captain think that Tushar was that person?!!
*With a 90+ match-winning innings just in the last game... what was Aftab doing @ no.6?!!
*Aftab has been playing @ no.3 for ages! what were they smoking while the sent 'not so impressive yet' Tushar there?!!!
*Coming at the wicket after 5 wickets down.... he was forced to survive than take the game anywhere positive!! Pay the price now!

"Won game lost!!"

How many more years do we have to put up with these sorta rubbish decisions from the management?!!

Sakib is totally crap these days.. poor technique from the fellow..

PoorFan · #4 July 20, 2007, 06:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ahmed_B
You put up a quiz of arranging a batting order with the current ODI squad that BD has with 10 random people.... and 7 out of them would probably come up with this one:

Tamim
SN
Aftab
Saqib
Ash
Tushar
Mushfiq
.....
Others

*NO3 position is for an in-form dependable batsman ... why did the management/captain think that Tushar was that person?!!
*With a 90+ match-winning innings just in the last game... what was Aftab doing @ no.6?!!
*Aftab has been playing @ no.3 for ages! what were they smoking while the sent 'not so impressive yet' Tushar there?!!!
*Coming at the wicket after 5 wickets down.... he was forced to survive than take the game anywhere positive!! Pay the price now!

"Won game lost!!"

How many more years do we have to put up with these sorta rubbish decisions from the management?!!

Absolutely!!! that should be the batting line up, instead some genious seems dosent like it.

Sohel · #5 July 20, 2007, 06:44 AM

I have issues with the word "mind" in this thread title.

Ahmed_B · #6 July 20, 2007, 06:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PoorFan
Absolutely!!! that should be the batting line up, instead some genious seems dosent like it.

And considering the player's current form... any blind cricket-layman will pick this order for the 2nd ODI:

Tamim
SN
Aftab
Mushfiq
Ash
Saqib+Tushar+Farhad @ 6-8 at any order
Mashrafee
Razzak
Rassel

But no... our management is just 'too smart' to see what even a football-fan would see!

zahid · #7 July 20, 2007, 07:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ahmed_B
And considering the player's current form... any blind cricket-layman will pick this order for the 2nd ODI:

Tamim
SN
Aftab
Mushfiq
Ash
Saqib+Tushar+Farhad @ 6-8 at any order
Mashrafee
Razzak
Rassel

But no... our management is just 'too smart' to see what even a football-fan would see!

It should be

Tamim
SN
Aftab
Ashraful
Mushfiq
Riyad
Farhad
Sakib
Mashrafe
Razzak
Rasel

mahbubH · #8 July 20, 2007, 07:02 AM

Tusher is not a solution in any regard. He is an average player with far from correct technique, plays too many shots in the midwicket region (even for the ball outside off stamp) -- a very good candidate for lbw decision (though today's one has some doubt). He cannot be a good fit for the no 3 position. For the time being Mushfiq can do the job because sometimes Aftab plays too many shots at that position. It is upto Ashraful to decide where he feels compfy and we don't count on him on regular basis -- he alreday played his part this year!!

BD-Shardul · #9 July 20, 2007, 07:08 AM

Ash the oversmart captain put Aftab at no 6. Honestly speaking, we have no batsmen who can replace Aftab at no 3. Aftab produced all his big innings when he batted at one down position.

My line up for the second ODI will be

Javed Belim
Shahriar Nafees
Aftab Ahmed
Mushfiqur Rahim
Mohammad Ashraful (Ash please bat here, beshi betagiri korar dorkar nai)
Tamim Iqbal
Farhad Reza
Mashrafe Mortaza
Abdur Razzaq
Shahadat Hossain/Mahmudullah Riyad
Syed Rasel

I had to choose JO because I don't wanna see loser tushar. And also No SHAKIB please. We do not need his SLA spin either, especially when we are playing against SL. Instead Shahadat or Riyad will serve us better

Rubu · #10 July 20, 2007, 07:14 AM

I hate to be right like this. I was hoping beyond hope that Tushar will prove me wrong, for once.

I have always been saying that he will never do anything in real matches, and to prove my point, he was out for a duck.

Ehsan · #11 July 20, 2007, 07:25 AM

Batting still remains our worry. We would have won the match if we could batted out full 50 overs, something we had been doing consistently during Whatmore era and all of a sudden we seem to have forgotten it.

On Tushar, he should play rest of the series. Don't jump on him because of one game. I agree with A_B on the batting order. I would have actually selected number three on who gets out, if its Tamim then I will bring Aftab but if its SN then I will bring Saqib or Tushar.

Rifat · #12 July 20, 2007, 07:26 AM

Tushar should be axed for the 3rd ODI if 2nd ODI is not a good chance. and Sakib, he should be axed for the 3rd ODI if 2nd ODI is as horrible as this. let's assume that does happen and thus my team for 3rd ODI

Javed Omor
Tamim Iqbal
Shahriar Nafees
Aftab Ahmed
Mushfiqur Rahim
Mohammad Ashraful
Farhad Reza
Mohammad Mahmudullah
Abdur Razzak
Mashrafee Mortaza
Syed Rasel

Cricket46 · #13 July 20, 2007, 08:13 AM

I don't know why you guys are so obsessed with batting order. I know some positions are that of specialists. But for a team like Bangladesh, what is a specialist going to do when we are losing half the side while scoring 60-70 on a regular basis. So, a #3 or #4 often has to face the new ball. Please don't get me wrong, I know very well the importance of the positions in a established team. But it is also true that for the sake of the team you need to perform in the position you are sent. You need to stand up and take responsibility. To me, in this team, only Mushfiq puts a premium on his wicket. However, his wicketkeeping has to go a long way to be of international standard.

Leave alone the fact that Aftab was not sent one drop. What was wrong with Ashraful, or Sakib, or Tushar or even Tamim? When so many of the top order fail what hope do we have? I doubt if we will get another opportunity like this, when our bowlers contained them pretty well, that too, I hear after some catches were dropped. It is not enough to say that the Lankan bowling is top class. At this level, this is what is expected and if we have to survive we should be able to negotiate that. The sad part is that, they are without Vaas and Murali.

Something is really wrong with our batting per se, or the confidence is very low at the moment. Making wholesale changes to the team for the second ODI will do more harm than good. This is a good team. They just need to perform. May be we are lacking a motivational coach, I don't know. I am a fool and will keep on hoping come the second ODI, but my wiser self tells me nothing much will change in this tour at least.

Rubu · #14 July 20, 2007, 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Ehsan
On Tushar, he should play rest of the series. Don't jump on him because of one game.

Again, I'll put my hope on it, but just like any other time in the past, I know what Tushar will do. If it was up to me, he would have been seeing a psychologist now, instead of playing in the national team. I'd rather have Mahmudullah instead of him. He has done it so many times already it is not funny anymore.

Ehsan · #15 July 20, 2007, 08:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rubu
Again, I'll put my hope on it, but just like any other time in the past, I know what Tushar will do. If it was up to me, he would have been seeing a psychologist now, instead of playing in the national team. I'd rather have Mahmudullah instead of him. He has done it so many times already it is not funny anymore.

Agree on the psychologist part. But how many times was he given the chance to play a complete series? Chopping him now and then would not help. Let him play 2-3 series continuously. Then we can reach a conclusion on him. He is talented and has good consistency on domestic cricket, I would not give up so easily on him. We do not have a lot of talented players who are consistent. It is just a matter of time before Tushar over comes his mental weakness for International games.

mali007 · #16 July 20, 2007, 08:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ahmed_B
You put up a quiz of arranging a batting order with the current ODI squad that BD has with 10 random people.... and 7 out of them would probably come up with this one:

Tamim
SN
Aftab
Saqib
Ash
Tushar
Mushfiq
.....
Others

*NO3 position is for an in-form dependable batsman ... why did the management/captain think that Tushar was that person?!!
*With a 90+ match-winning innings just in the last game... what was Aftab doing @ no.6?!!
*Aftab has been playing @ no.3 for ages! what were they smoking while the sent 'not so impressive yet' Tushar there?!!!
*Coming at the wicket after 5 wickets down.... he was forced to survive than take the game anywhere positive!! Pay the price now!

"Won game lost!!"

How many more years do we have to put up with these sorta rubbish decisions from the management?!!

On my way to chamber this morning , I was thinking about the batting orders. # 3 position is always for the inform batsman . Aftab or Mushfique should have been there.
How come you put a batsman in that position who is fighting to be in the side for a while!!! Can you believe that our lower order scored 100 runs !!! Really we lost a WIN
GAME !!!

sadi · #17 July 20, 2007, 08:43 AM

I wouldn't drop Tushar. I will give him a few chances so that when he gets dropped this time, he doesn't make a comeback so easily. In the meantime, if he does score and get over this mental BS, that will be great for Bangladesh Cricket.

Sooner we realize how valuable Mushfiq is, better it is for our team. He should bat way up the order. Unlike most other batsmen, atleast he gives a damn and tries his best and has a decent technique to go with.

FaRHaN · #18 July 20, 2007, 08:49 AM

I wont even give Tushar any more chance in the international level..he is just a useless player he never cou;d perform in the international level..riaad wud hav been a much better choice

yaseer · #19 July 20, 2007, 08:52 AM

I read in one of the newspaper that Ashraful said he is going to play @ no. 4 in both the tests and ODIs....and i liked it....but today we saw he came @ 5....well...i like to see ASH @ 4.....and in form Aftab deffinately should come @ 3 today....at least after that good start......

yaseer · #20 July 20, 2007, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by FaRHaN
I wont even give Tushar any more chance in the international level..he is just a useless player he never cou;d perform in the international level..riaad wud hav been a much better choice

What made you so sure about Riad at this level?

yaseer · #21 July 20, 2007, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by sadi
I wouldn't drop Tushar. I will give him a few chances so that when he gets dropped this time, he doesn't make a comeback so easily. In the meantime, if he does score and get over this mental BS, that will be great for Bangladesh Cricket.

ya Sadi.....same thoughts here.......

akabir77 · #22 July 20, 2007, 09:02 AM

I am speech less. went to bed 40/0 thinking we won another one and will watch the rest today as i recorded the game. but in the morning i find this. Don't know if its only Tusher/Sakib/ ASh s fault but those three has to take the responsibility. This is what i was afraid off hope i am wrong. They broke SAKIB. anyway from what body language i saw from the players BD WILL NOT WIN a SINGLE MATCH.

Tigers_eye · #23 July 20, 2007, 09:04 AM

I painfully watched almost the whole match. Till BD was 67/5.

Tamim-SN did just fine. Till 11 overs we hadn't had the collapse started.

Tushar - had no clue. The first or the second ball he faced, the ball was outside the off stump with reinforcement on the slips, he tries to block it the ball whistles through at least six inches out side the edge of the bat. No line understanding, no footwork. Early on without footwork how can one survive?

Sakib - First ball nudge away from the body. No foot work. The ball was a good one though. rising. Simple catch at the end.

Ash - has no understanding of the game. Yes, that is what I am saying. when SL was three down all Tharanga and chamara did was block or take a rare single. Just stopped the rot. Where as for Ash, he had no reason to hit the 4, and he also had no reason to try to hook. 3 wickets fell in span of 0 runs. The most he could do is stop the rot. We all know if he had stayed 20 overs on the crease we win the match. He is the captain who don't know the game of cricket. He only knows two way to play the game. Block block block or dhamaka.

Aftab - The moment I saw Aftab go arial hit a four I knew all my hopes were out the window. Soon this would end. Switched off the monitor. Following the captain I guess.

Ahmed_B · #24 July 20, 2007, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by akabir77
went to bed 40/0 thinking we won another one ...

likewise... our batsmen went to sleep one after another thinking they won after getting to 40/0

Fazal · #25 July 20, 2007, 09:20 AM

As the target was relatively low, I was hoping they would shuffle the order and bring Rahim earlier (like against WC India game). I don't know why they didn't do that.