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Old January 26, 2005, 09:37 AM
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Default Where are the Rana bashers now?

huh? and the alok supporters? and the aftab bashers for that matter? what do you have to say for yourselves?
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Old January 26, 2005, 11:04 AM
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Herer's one "still Rana basher", and I never bashed Aftab hard.

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Old January 26, 2005, 11:06 AM
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man u sure have ba**s made of steel

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Old January 26, 2005, 11:30 AM
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Default Another Rana basher checking in

And what do i have to say for myself? I dont think i need to say anything for myself! Its Rana we are talking about so I'll say a few things about him! So now that Rana has taken a few wickets, he is what, let me guess, Bangladesh's best bowler ever? Crap! One should hardly be that impressed with ODI wickets, after all, its the batsmen that tend to get themselves out. However, he did bowl well and contributed greatly to our win, so I'll give him a day off. But the truth is, day before, it was Enamul, today it was Rana, day after it will be someone else that bowls a decent ODI spell and picks up a few wickets while they are at it. No need to go nuts about it.

Like I said before, if Rana can get into the side on the strength of his bowling as one of the bowlers, then I'm alright with it. We will have the added benefit of his batting. But should he be taking a batsman's spot in the side? Absolutely not! What did he do today? He killed the momentum our team had and then got out! He might have scored some good runs before, but he is not a batsman, its that simple. He can come in lower down the order and contribute some runs, especially when the top order fails, but thats about all we ought be expecting from him. After all, he has only three scores higher than 25 in ODI cricket and that hardly makes him a batsman, although some on this board would like to call him one!
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Old January 26, 2005, 12:03 PM
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And what do i have to say for myself? I dont think i need to say anything for myself! Its Rana we are talking about so I'll say a few things about him! So now that Rana has taken a few wickets, he is what, let me guess, Bangladesh's best bowler ever? Crap! One should hardly be that impressed with ODI wickets, after all, its the batsmen that tend to get themselves out. However, he did bowl well and contributed greatly to our win, so I'll give him a day off. But the truth is, day before, it was Enamul, today it was Rana, day after it will be someone else that bowls a decent ODI spell and picks up a few wickets while they are at it. No need to go nuts about it.

Like I said before, if Rana can get into the side on the strength of his bowling as one of the bowlers, then I'm alright with it. We will have the added benefit of his batting. But should he be taking a batsman's spot in the side?
Absolutely not! What did he do today? He killed the momentum our team had and then got out! He might have scored some good runs before, but he is not a batsman, its that simple. He can come in lower down the order and contribute some runs, especially when the top order fails, but thats about all we ought be expecting from him. After all, he has only three scores higher than 25 in ODI cricket and that hardly makes him a batsman, although some on this board would like to call him one!
Once again, you leave no room for disagreement. Its all nice and dandy if Rana is taken in the team as a bowler. But, if he comes in at no.6, like he did yesterday and did a pathetic job, then its a big problem. He takes too many balls. At that stage, he took 18 balls for his 6 or whatever and got out. He didn't play like a no.6 batsman as he can't. I have no problem with his bowling and if he makes in the team on strength of his bowling only, then I have no problem with it.
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Old January 26, 2005, 12:14 PM
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Rana hasn't proven his batting ability yet so I still support the inclusion of Alok kapali.
Alok is a SOLID allrounder. no question about it. his fileding, bowling, and batting is far more superior than that of Rana's.
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Old January 26, 2005, 12:14 PM
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Rana hasn't proven his batting ability yet so I still support the inclusion of Alok kapali.
Alok is a SOLID allrounder. no question about it. his fileding, bowling, and batting is far more superior than that of Rana's.
has HE proven it?
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Old January 26, 2005, 12:15 PM
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to get someone to prove anything you have to let him play on a regular basis. kapali got the chance and did nothing. rana never got the chance at all.
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Old January 26, 2005, 12:17 PM
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Yes, in the local leagues! look at his stats. We cannot judge Alok's batting in just by one ODI match. If u look at his bowling in the 2nd ODI it was pretty good i would say.
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Old January 26, 2005, 12:17 PM
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I have always been a Rana supporter. Look at my old threads.

But with the arrival of Enamul and the new found top order confidence have superceded anything Rana can do for us in the future. Yesterday's 4 wicket haul or the MOM doesn't change anything just like Aftab's 4 wickets didn't. Aftab had to prove himself as a batsman or as a bowler who is better than Taposh. He did the first one. We should keep rana in the 14 man team as he is a great utilityman. He can fit almost any role. But he shouldn't be in the 11 unless there is injury in the bowling departement.

He should definitely go to the England tour too. As we can't send injury replacements quickly and he can take care of a lot of diffent weaknesses. On top of that he has the experience of playing in a league there.

I admire this fighter.
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Old January 26, 2005, 12:25 PM
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Yes, in the local leagues! look at his stats. We cannot judge Alok's batting in just by one ODI match. If u look at his bowling in the 2nd ODI it was pretty good i would say.
has he proved it in international cricket?
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Old January 26, 2005, 12:28 PM
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Default Are you serioulsy trying to suggest that Rana is a better batsman than Kapali?

Because he has a 3 point advantage in averages after 16 games out of which he has 4 not out scores? Give me a break!

Lets see who Kapali has scored against. A 49 and a 45 against Australia in 4 matches, a brilliant 89 not out against South Africa, a 71 against WI, a couple of very good 60s against Pakistan. And Rana is better because he has a 63 against Zimbabwe in 98 balls? I don't understand how someone can even compare the two in terms of their batting!
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Old January 26, 2005, 12:29 PM
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kapali USED to be good. he is worse than anyone on the team right now.

he may come back after proving himself in the A team for quite a period of time.
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Old January 26, 2005, 12:34 PM
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Yeah he is going through a prolongued slump in form. And I am not suggesting that he should be in the team right now. But that doesn't make Rana a better batsman than him. Rana also has a higher ODI average than Ashraful. Is he therefore better than Ashraful as a batsman? The point I am trying to make is, Kapali is a head and a shoulder above Rana when it comes to batting ability, and when he finally gets out of this stupid slump, he will make that abundantly clear. To even suggest that Rana is a better batsman is nothing short of a travesty.
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Old January 26, 2005, 12:38 PM
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i was never suggesting that rana is a better batsman than alok in general. however, considering recent form, he is more effective than alok, although his bat hasn't clicked in this series.
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Like it or not, right now, rana is more effective than alok. PERIOD.
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If you want to argue for the sake of argue, just analyze their avg for ODI and TEST. Rana beats comfortably Alok in each category. Alok might be a successful batsmen against minnow bowlers in the premier league, but in ODI is has consistently showed inconsistent or poor show.

Just review the records and they speak for themselves. PEACE.

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Old January 26, 2005, 12:49 PM
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i was never suggesting that rana is a better batsman than alok in general. however, considering recent form, he is more effective than alok, although his bat hasn't clicked in this series.
You almost make it as clear as daylight.. even though I am not sure if you yourself see the real point.

When the team looks for an extra batsman.. Alok will always be prefered over Rana.

Likewise.. when the team looks for an extra bowler Rana will be prefered over Alok!

It's not as straightforward as 'Rana is Better than Alok' or the reverse!....It's very much dependant on what the team actually needs at any point! I hope you dont mix up that factor.
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Old January 26, 2005, 01:05 PM
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Reyme, I don't think Kapali has been all that inconsistent. Since his slump started, he has been pretty poor throughout. But I did look at their records, and I looked a little past their averages. Kapali has scored runs against quality opposition, not just "minnow bowlers in the premier league" as you put it. As a matter of fact, the innings against South Africa was one of the best ODI innings played by a Bangladeshi batsman in my opinion. Rana's only half century in ODIs is a 63 in 98 balls against Zimbabwe. I am willing to concede the point about their current effectiveness, given Kapali has played pretty woefully recently. But once again, to suggest that Rana is a better batsman because he has higher ODI average is downright silly.
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I suppose I could be considered a Rana "basher" and I have not changed my opinion one iota.

He is not a middle order batsman by a long shot. If he is going to be included as a batsman, I would rather he went in earlier as his defence is reasonable. But whichever position he plays in, runs will dry up as he is not a good "rotator" because of his limitations as a batsman.

Even though, this is not the subject of this thread but this point should be made: Bangladesh lose out by not sending Mashud at No.6. He is a cool-headed "rotator" and an under-rated "hitter" when it matters.

Rana supporters compare him with Enamul. There is no comparison. They are not fighting for the same place ! Rana occupies the so-called all-rounders spot, like Mahmud and Mushfiq when he was selected. Enamul is a specialist bowler.

When Rafique returns, he will simply take Rana's position as in a one day match I will have Rafique any day as an explosive batsman who can turn a side's position. I hope there is no comparison between their bowling merits.

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Yeah he is going through a prolongued slump in form. And I am not suggesting that he should be in the team right now. But that doesn't make Rana a better batsman than him. Rana also has a higher ODI average than Ashraful. Is he therefore better than Ashraful as a batsman? The point I am trying to make is, Kapali is a head and a shoulder above Rana when it comes to batting ability, and when he finally gets out of this stupid slump, he will make that abundantly clear. To even suggest that Rana is a better batsman is nothing short of a travesty.
I will go one further. He is not even a batsman ! That is why sending him at No.6 adds pressure on everyone else.
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Rana is in the team because we don't have anyone better. Just as Rana should justify his inclusion as a bowler, Alok should justify his position as a batsman, NOT AS A BOWLER! How many chances should he be given? 10, 20, 100, 100000000000000000? BS! If he is good he should show it! Style my foot!!! Players should be in the team based on their contribution........I saw many a one shouting for Mahmud's head..........If some one out performs Rana then let him be in the team. We should not give a damn about perceived talent! AND HOW MANY WORLD CLASS PLAYERS DO WE HAVE? I wish we have have hayden, tendulkar, flintoff, mcgrath! But we don't have them! The selectors are doing a great job with whatever resources we have! Let's thank them!
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Old January 26, 2005, 01:13 PM
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Default I couldnt agree more Imtiaz

Mashud should be batting at six in this side. He is the only BD batsman who knows how to build a one-day innings. Even when the boundaries dry up, Mashud scores at a run a ball, and yes, he can also hit a few.

Also, you are right about Rafique taking Rana's place. Thats the spot Rana is occupying right now and logically, it should go back to Rafique in the next match. However, if the selectors feel that Rana has done enough with the ball to justify a bowling place, then they may wish to take him instead of one of the bowlers that played today. But we have to think of this logically. If Enamul gets left out, that doesn't mean Rafique has replaced Enamul, although the effect is that. It would be Rafique replacing Rana, and then Rana replacing Enamul! Or atleast, thats how it ought to be in the selectors' minds. As for whether Rana should replace Enamul, I don't think we should even have that debate.
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He is a cool-headed "rotator" and an under-rated "hitter" when it matters.

Edited on, January 26, 2005, 6:06 PM GMT, by Imtiaz.
have you seen Khaled Mashud bat? Have you followed Khaled Mashud's batting? he is not a rotator of strike! He is either in grafting mood or in a dashing mood.........no seecond gear!

But I agree he is far better than Rana as a batsman! But he is no way an ideal no 6! Among all our batsmen only Alok showed some glimpses to have some talent to be an ideal no.6. But now it seems like a distant memory!!

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Old January 26, 2005, 01:19 PM
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Default huh?

are you talking about Khaled Mashud or Mahmud? He is either a grafter or a dasher? The 23 of 25 balls in the second ODI without a single boundary hit, was that the grafter or the dasher? And thats just one of many examples I could give. I don't know what you are talking about!!

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