Mash's retirement.. planned or forced?

[Fazal]

The T20 team is good but not good enough. We are not getting enough wins in this format.

Its perfectly ok if coach and BCB make some changes in the team, and in the process thinks that some senior players are replaceable (i.e. not a must have). If we continue to keep the same team and play like this, pretty soon we will regularly lose to associate teams in T20.

T20 is all about batting and some defensive bowling. To take us to the next level, we need to take some risk and start adding some new blood.... players like SS, Sabbir, Mossadek, etc.... they are our future.... only they can take us to the next level. Yes we should not get rid of all senior players, but only few should be considered as "must have", the rest should be replaceable and fight for their slot in T20 for every game like the junior players.

[PoorFan]

Originally Posted by Rinathq
Mate the report said Shakib clearly. I have the article infront of me.. In a rush but I couldve shown u the exactly article in Bangla. And the report didnt make it sound like Haturi was hinting at giving chances to others....

And in the follwoing link the report says it is Mash, Tamim and Mushi.
http://bangla.bdnews24.com/cricket/a...1314606.bdnews

[Oni_cricket]

As expected ,conspiracy theories are coming in.Whatever the reason is it's a good decision for Mash to retire from t20 now.But we need him in odis for two more years

[brockley]

CA Sara Sara,he didn't get the results.

[ahnaf]

শ্রীলঙ্কা যাওয়ার ঠিক আগে বিডিনিউজের সঙ্গে একান্ত সাক্ষাৎকারে বলে গিয়েছিলেন টি-টোয়েন্টি নিয়ে তার স্বপ্নের কথা। বলেছেন, ওয়ানডের মত টি-টোয়েন্টি দলটিকেও শক্ত ভিতের ওপর দাঁড় করাতে চান অবসরের আগে। প্রথম টি-টোয়েন্টির আগে সংবাদ সম্মেলনে বলেছিলেন, যেখানে দেখতে চান সেখানে নেই বাংলাদেশ দল। দলকে সেই জায়গায় নিয়ে যেতে সামনে থেকেই অবদান রাখতে চেয়েছিলেন তিনি।

সেই অবদান রাখার পথটা হয়তো ক্রমশ কঠিন হয়ে আসছিল তাই হুট করে অবসরের সিদ্ধান্ত। বোর্ড বা টিম ম্যানেজমেন্টের দিক থেকে কোনো চাপ ছিল কি না সংবাদ সম্মেলনে বারবারই জানতে চাওয়া হল তার কাছে।
“আমার মনে হয়, এই সময় বিতর্ক তৈরি না করে আমাদের ক্রিকেটের উন্নতির জন্য কাজ করা উচিত। আমাদের ক্রিকেট এগিয়ে যাক। আমার কাছে মনে হয় না, এইসব নিয়ে আলোচনা করার কিছু আছে।”

নিউ জিল্যান্ডের বিপক্ষে তিন ম্যাচের টি-টোয়েন্টি সিরিজে বাংলাদেশের সফলতম বোলার ছিলেন রুবেল হোসেন। ৭ উইকেট পাওয়া বাঁহাতি পেসারের জায়গাই হয়নি এবার। তার জন্য মাশরাফি দায়ী করছেন নিজেকেই, তার জন্যই নাকি দলে নেই রুবেল!

“যখন দেখলাম ও দলে নেই, সেটা আমাকে খুব আহত করেছে। ও আমার জন্য খেলতে পারছে না। আমি বিশ্বাস করি, ওর প্রথম একাদশেই থাকা উচিত ছিল। যদি আমি অধিনায়ক না থাকতাম ও খেলতে পারতো। আমার চেয়ে ওর পারফরম্যান্স যেহেতু ভালো আমি মনে করি ওর খেলা উচিত।”

মাশরাফিকে মনে করিয়ে দেওয়া হল গত বছর টি-টোয়েন্টিতে বাংলাদেশের সবচেয়ে বেশি উইকেট তারই। শ্রীলঙ্কার বিপক্ষে প্রথম টি-টোয়েন্টিতেও দলে সেরা বোলার তিনি। নিয়েছেন ২ উইকেট।

শ্রীলঙ্কায় বাংলাদেশ দল খেলছে ৫ পেসার নিয়ে। মাশরাফির সঙ্গে আছেন তাসকিন আহমেদ, মুস্তাফিজুর রহমান, মোহাম্মদ সাইফ উদ্দিন ও শুভাশীষ রায়। অধিনায়কের জন্য স্কোয়াড বা দলে কারোর জায়গা আটকে থাকেনি, পারফরম্যান্সে এখনও উপরের দিকেই আছেন তিনি।

http://bangla.bdnews24.com/cricket/a...1314636.bdnews

We all know who is behind rubel's exclusion from the team. You retiring not gonna change anything mash. Heck. He is not even in the squad. Let alone playing XI.
Basically every news reporter saying the something. BCB fulfilled our beloved coach haturis wish. Now, of course no fanboy of his will buy it. And wait for papon to come out and say it was all me.

[Equinox]

Originally Posted by ahnaf
http://bangla.bdnews24.com/cricket/a...1314636.bdnews

We all know who is behind rubel's exclusion from the team. You retiring not gonna change anything mash. Heck. He is not even in the squad. Let alone playing XI.
Basically every news reporter saying the something. BCB fulfilled our beloved coach haturis wish. Now, of course no fanboy of his will buy it. And wait for papon to come out and say it was all me.

So Rubel is a 'bahati pacer' now?

The sports journalists in this country.

[MHRAM]

Originally Posted by Fazal
The T20 team is good but not good enough. We are not getting enough wins in this format.

Its perfectly ok if coach and BCB make some changes in the team, and in the process thinks that some senior players are replaceable (i.e. not a must have). If we continue to keep the same team and play like this, pretty soon we will regularly lose to associate teams in T20.

T20 is all about batting and some defensive bowling. To take us to the next level, we need to take some risk and start adding some new blood.... players like SS, Sabbir, Mossadek, etc.... they are our future.... only they can take us to the next level. Yes we should not get rid of all senior players, but only few should be considered as "must have", the rest should be replaceable and fight for their slot in T20 for every game like the junior players.

Agree with you bro.

We need to move forward and perhaps we could start with replacing senior players

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[tonmoy.dhaka]

Emotions aside, we have better bowlers for T20 than Mash. It hurts me but the team will be better without him.
Australia was ruthless with many of their superstars (Mark Waugh, Ponting etc). There is a reason they were the top team for a decade. There is no room for emotion when you are representing your country.

That being said, Mashrafee is a true hero. He is a role model for all Bangladeshis. He will forever be my captain.

[mufi_02]

Maybe it was the right call for him and the team. Esp when he said that he never enjoyed this format and can't give his best due to the format's sharp and quick style.

I read and watched multiple newspapers and clips on this and our media is handling this with more emotions than necessary. Phrases such as "nirghum raate mash er shiddhanto", "colombor akash ajke kadche", "cricket joddhara thake cricket bhokto der hridoye" and what not.

Mash is bigger than a just a player for sure. But he is not bigger than the game and country. Mash himself knows this and even said those exact words yesterday. We need to separate emotions and look at the bigger picture. His days are numbered and its better if he focuses on ODIs and lead us in the next WC.

[5tonne]

T20 is the format where you can afford to have older players. For example, Australia brought back 42 years old Brad Hogg. Players like Brad Hodge played for national t20 team even when he was too old the ODI team. So, I don't understand this 'sack senior players' theory. Injury prone players all over the world are retiring from all formats of the game to play T20 because that requires less physical fitness than others. We are expecting him to play 2019 ODI WC. We don't know if he can last that long but we have cut short his T20 career.
T20 is the format with high turn over. If you think a player can win you just one game, you pick him. Stats say Mash has been a good enough second or third seamer and good lower order bat. So, he could easily find his place in the team. And if he is in the team, who is better than him to lead? If you were grooming a young leader I would understand but you are going back to an ex-captain and another senior Shakib.

[Fazal]

There is a difference between "'sack a player" vs "a player is replaceable", lets not twist the message here.

Mashrafee himself said he doesn't like T20 that much, he would rather concentrate on ODI for the rest of his career. Unless it is proven otherwise, we need to respect his own opinion about his own career and move on.

[simon]

BD media going crazy over this.
Afterall people love crazy news.

[tiger1000]

Originally Posted by tonmoy.dhaka
Emotions aside, we have better bowlers for T20 than Mash. It hurts me but the team will be better without him.
Australia was ruthless with many of their superstars (Mark Waugh, Ponting etc). There is a reason they were the top team for a decade. There is no room for emotion when you are representing your country.

That being said, Mashrafee is a true hero. He is a role model for all Bangladeshis. He will forever be my captain.

I don't know if it will be, he's still probably our best batsman in last few overs

[godzilla]

What in the world? I didn't follow any news related to the first T20 due to exams and came back today to this :'(

Mash is retiring from T20? Sad news really. I guess Shakib or Tamim will be taking over as a T20 captain?

[Match Adda]

Mashrafe never enjoyed t20 matches...never. I reckon mashrafe had been playing forcefully.... goodnight to the t20 is not surprising me... it's him ... who took the decision... and I'm glad he did. I like to see him odi specialist... best Odis captain forever. Coming 2017 champions trophy will be the huge matter for bd cricket, and I believe... mash took a good decision... and let new comers play t20 more to get used it, before they touchdown the international arena test and Odis...good to luck mash... good luck to sakib al Hasan.

[5tonne]

Originally Posted by Fazal
There is a difference between "'sack a player" vs "a player is replaceable", lets not twist the message here.

There is no relation between two quoted sentences. I just mentioned that he was actually sacked. Nowhere I said he is not replaceable. You might not like what I am saying but there is no twist here and please don't try to see one just to win your argument.

Mash said he doesn't like playing t20 but he hadn't said he didn't want to play. And whenever he played he played seriously, no doubt about that. It's clear from various news he was forced to retire. The news didn't come from Kaler Kontho type news outlet, came from bdnews24 and today's PA. Also read Islam's status post about this. All are credible news sources. People are not happy because they see Mash as a better performer than few others in the team and feel he still has more to give. Some of us are pretending to believe what Mash said publicly is all. There is nothing behind it. But we know how things work in BD and especially in BCB under Papon.

[Fazal]

Originally Posted by 5tonne
There is no relation between two quoted sentences. I just mentioned that he was actually sacked. Nowhere I said he is not replaceable. You might not like what I am saying but there is no twist here and please don't try to see one just to win your argument.

Where exactly did you said that he was actually sacked?

Here is you previous statement...

Originally Posted by 5tonne
T20 is the format where you can afford to have older players. For example, Australia brought back 42 years old Brad Hogg. Players like Brad Hodge played for national t20 team even when he was too old the ODI team. So, I don't understand this 'sack senior players' theory. Injury prone players all over the world are retiring from all formats of the game to play T20 because that requires less physical fitness than others. We are expecting him to play 2019 ODI WC. We don't know if he can last that long but we have cut short his T20 career.
T20 is the format with high turn over. If you think a player can win you just one game, you pick him. Stats say Mash has been a good enough second or third seamer and good lower order bat. So, he could easily find his place in the team. And if he is in the team, who is better than him to lead? If you were grooming a young leader I would understand but you are going back to an ex-captain and another senior Shakib.

Please help me find out where you said you think "he was actually sacked"?

In the whole discussion no body provided any solid evidence (so far) that he was sacked, so far its all speculation. You can believe what you want, but in a public message board, you need to back up with proof or logical conclusion to convince other. if you have proof please share with us, we will change our mind.

Mash said he doesn't like playing t20 but he hadn't said he didn't want to play. And whenever he played he played seriously, no doubt about that.

That doesn't proof he was forced to retire. On contrary he said he retired on his own term.[/quote]

It's clear from various news he was forced to retire. The news didn't come from Kaler Kontho type news outlet, came from bdnews24 and today's PA. Also read Islam's status post about this. All are credible news sources. People are not happy because they see Mash as a better performer than few others in the team and feel he still has more to give. Some of us are pretending to believe what Mash said publicly is all. There is nothing behind it. But we know how things work in BD and especially in BCB under Papon.

Its not clear at all. some news hints there may be something going on, on the other hand theDaily Star and DhakaTrubune provided different version that also makes sense. Islam is member here, if he doesn't feel comfortable in cricinfo, he can always come here can express his opinion and back ground info here. Until he does that, these are all speculation and no proof.

On the other Mashrafee announced that he retired on his one term. And that is the fact, not speculation. So you are saying he lied to his fans?

We are not pretending, we are making are making our opinion based on known facts, however looks like you are the one making your opinion based on speculation and rejecting known facts. Papon is not faultless and I don't agree with all his decision, but under Papon BCB is running more professionally than ever before... better than almost all of the past Presidents... and like it or not...this is the known fact.

[Jadukor]

Originally Posted by tonmoy.dhaka
Emotions aside, we have better bowlers for T20 than Mash. It hurts me but the team will be better without him.

I don't think we have an adequate replacement for him. We need someone who can also bat as well as Mash because otherwise we end up with too many tailenders in the lower order.

In terms of bowling, I felt he always brings a level of control in the game with his accurate line and length and definitely deserves more credit than he is given as a bowler.

The other major worry is that there is no good captaincy alternative in the side. Mash has not been as good a captain he is for ODIs in this version, but I think if he was given this year, he would have improved as captain and transformed our T20 side into a good side.

From the WC T20 loss against India to the loss here vs Sri Lanka, we can see that the ingredients of a good T20 side is there within this 11. We are failing not because of ability but because we are still making rookie mistakes at key moments just like we used to do in ODIs.

Now that Mash has retired, we will likely go back to Mushfiq, Shakib or Tamim, which is essentially going back to the same old negative and defensive tactics that plagued us for so long.

[Shadow]

It wasn't planned; Mashrafe was asked about his retirement a few days back, he said that he would first talk with the board president if he ever thought of retirement. When Mashrafe was asked about papon's declaration to the media that Mashrafe would be retiring from the t20s after the New Zealand series, he was surprised and said that it could be a misunderstanding from the board president.

There were talks inside BCB about removing Mashrafe from captaincy from the t20s. Mashrafe thought it would be better to retire and that's why he talked with his family and made his declaration. Ideally speaking, he would have loved to declare his retirement in a home series.

[Eclipse]

Originally Posted by Rinathq
yea i dont think many thinks like u do. Mash isnt the arrogant senior player like Mushy who will hold his throne until he is kicked out. Mash is the greatest sportsman in this country. He definitely deserves to leave on his own decision. And Mash is still decent enough to lead the T20 side. We dont have any great T20 players at the moment anyways or someone that can match his leadership

That's why i consider it as something which can predominantly be seen in subcontinental players.

Leave out mash, even greats like Tendulkar didn't want to retire on their own. Pakistan's 45 year oldies still dream to be the captain of the national team.

I've no doubt that mash would've continued to play if he wasn't suggested/forced to do otherwise. At least he would've liked to retire infront of the home crowd.

[Rana Melb]

Mushi is on the line

[Rana Melb]

Mushi is on the line....news update

[Kohli_Sox]

People are just losing sleep over something which is not there. Mash had to go from t20. Even boycott's grandma knows this. He made a right decision and people are jumping the gun. What are you lots sherlock holmes? Also if mash is retiring out of agony or something then the best possible result came out of it.

[Kohli_Sox]

Originally Posted by Rana Melb
Mushi is on the line....news update

Mushi is currently the worst t20 player in the side. How come he can become a captain? Puzzling

[Rana Melb]

Originally Posted by Kohli_Sox
Mushi is currently the worst t20 player in the side. How come he can become a captain? Puzzling

Lol meant for retirement from t20