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Old July 30, 2019, 01:03 AM
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Default Unwillingness to try out new players.

In the 2nd ODI, we went with the same batting side that underperformed in the previous match. There was not much of a difference in terms of result.

Back in the 00s, we were often willing to try out new cricketers here and there. At times this was uncalled for as we did not have that much talent, nor strong domestics and facilities. Fast forward to 2019 we have such:
1) Better domestic structure where youths begin to play from the age of 18/19
2) BPL which provides exposure to international cricket.
3) More talented youngsters taking up the game these days. Infact, our last 2 U-19 teams finished 3rd and 6th which is a massive upgrade considering that we almost always were the plate champions.

Wait, I am not comparing anyone with Shakib. Shakib is a bonafida legend. Not just BD, I dont think we will see another Shakib-like player in cricket again. I am comparing our upcoming players with the current underperforming crop of players as well as what the seniors where at back in 2007-2010(absolute rubbish).

Just to give you a glimpse of how many matches our youth players have got so far:

1) Afif - 1 match
2) Zakir Hasan - 1 match
3) Yasir Ali - 0
4) Shanto - 3 ODIs and 1 Test
5) Miraz - lots
6) Saifuddin - plenty
7) Yasir Ali - None
8) Saif Hasan - None

So in an era where we have someone like Mithun who is rubbish even at his peak and Soumya Sarkar performing **** day in day out, don't you think it is time to inject new blood and put pressure on underperformers?

No the new players wont magically start performing but they will be fresh and will put pressure on others. Tamim, Riad, Soumya - you need to give these guys message that we have replacements sitting in the bench and if you don't perform you will be kicked out. And what BD did? Well after a poor show in the world cup Mithun gets a full series against Srilanka where he is guaranteed 3 matches.

Also this series was the ideal time to test our new players like Saif, Yasir Ali and Afif but doesn't seem like our team had any interest whatsoever.
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Old July 30, 2019, 01:29 AM
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This is a big issue , if we don't try new players in international cricket how are we going to differentiate between the domestic bullies and those who show their true talent in international level. We would never have gotten Fizz or Miraz early with such policies rather we would have seen the same old recycled stuff again and again.

Pakistan tried out new young players like Shaheen in international cricket and they are reaping the benefits , they could have easily gone with the oldies like Junaid Khan who hasn't done that badly either but no they try our youngsters unlike BCB who just want to play tried and tested failures.
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Old July 30, 2019, 09:40 AM
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This is a big issue , if we don't try new players in international cricket how are we going to differentiate between the domestic bullies and those who show their true talent in international level. We would never have gotten Fizz or Miraz early with such policies rather we would have seen the same old recycled stuff again and again.

Pakistan tried out new young players like Shaheen in international cricket and they are reaping the benefits , they could have easily gone with the oldies like Junaid Khan who hasn't done that badly either but no they try our youngsters unlike BCB who just want to play tried and tested failures.
We gambled with Fizz and Miraz and the gamble worked. Saif didn't work first but is starting to work.

What Bangladesh desperately needs is fresh faces. We know for sure the likes of Soumya Mithun Mosaddek won't be helping the team's cause.
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Old July 30, 2019, 11:28 AM
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We gambled with Fizz and Miraz and the gamble worked. Saif didn't work first but is starting to work.

What Bangladesh desperately needs is fresh faces. We know for sure the likes of Soumya Mithun Mosaddek won't be helping the team's cause.
How was Mosaddek's name put in there? He's batting at #7 even though he has the quality to be a top order batsman.

Hacks like Mithun and Sabbir were given ample opportunities at 3 and a genuine talent like Mosaddek gets wasted at 7. Totally unfair to put Mosaddek in the same list as Soumya and Mithun when he hasn't been given a proper trial yet.
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Old July 30, 2019, 11:43 AM
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How was Mosaddek's name put in there? He's batting at #7 even though he has the quality to be a top order batsman.

Hacks like Mithun and Sabbir were given ample opportunities at 3 and a genuine talent like Mosaddek gets wasted at 7. Totally unfair to put Mosaddek in the same list as Soumya and Mithun when he hasn't been given a proper trial yet.
Mossadek got enough chances. He hasn’t exactly lit the world on fire. Also, one or two fluke innings are meaningless.

I agree Mosa has potential, but so far besides some flukes here or there he hasnt been good.
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Old July 30, 2019, 11:55 AM
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How come Soumya can get 50 chances and still retain his spot in the team? Mossadek is a proper batsmen. If you drop Mossadek who will be his replacement maybe guys like, Afif,Nasir or even
Yasir could replace him. We wouldn't have won that tri series final against West indies if Mossadek did not
play a blinder of a innings like that. Yes I agree that he is also not as consistent with bat and ball but I feel that team management should persist with him. They shouldn;t persist with Soumya because he never learns from his past failures. Mossadek is a must in the test team he scored 75 runs against Sri Lanka and he should bat at number 5.
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Old July 30, 2019, 12:20 PM
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Some of those players have serious technical issues. For examples - Saif Hasan is another Anamul with almost no footwork; Naim Sheikh is mostly a front-foot player, struggles against short balls. Perhaps selectors being patient giving them time to work out their issues instead of rushing them in the national team.

Yes, they already made mistakes rushing in Afif and Zakir, but that does not mean they should persist with those mistakes. Zakir nowadays is not even good enough to hold his place in the A-team, while Afif is making good progress.
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Old July 30, 2019, 12:53 PM
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The amount of runs and the Run Rate that Tamim and Ryiad is giving now a days, I am pretty sure some one new, whether he is front footed or one footed or no footed at all, could have contributed more than these two senior players.


I don't care whether its Afif or Zikir, or Naim or Saif or someone else.... there have to be someone new who should be tried. if there is no one, then shame on BCB, should be all fired and we should be self ban for one year from playing any national game. One thing is proven for sure these off-form senior players (tamaim, ryiad, mashrafee) will take us no where, they don't show us any hope for better future. Then what's the point playing games with the same players and get humiliated? Don't we have any shame left?
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Old July 30, 2019, 01:32 PM
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Mossadek got enough chances. He hasn’t exactly lit the world on fire. Also, one or two fluke innings are meaningless.

I agree Mosa has potential, but so far besides some flukes here or there he hasnt been good.
You can't judge a batsman unless he has batted in the top 5 - unless he is a finisher. Lets not forget Mosaddek is not an actual finisher yet has performed that role better than anyone we've had recently.

Soumya, Mithun, Sabbir, Liton have all batted many times in the top 5. Mosaddek hasn't even batted 1 innings in that position. Jury therefore still has to be out, given the kind of domestic numbers he has (FC average of 60, List A average of 40).
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I wish they would put Mosaddek up the order so that we can see what he can really do without the pressure of scoring quickly but we are stuck with the same old same old mindset , there is no vision , we recycle players and management is so rigid in approach.
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Old July 30, 2019, 07:06 PM
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I wish they would put Mosaddek up the order so that we can see what he can really do without the pressure of scoring quickly but we are stuck with the same old same old mindset , there is no vision , we recycle players and management is so rigid in approach.
They're stuck on Riyad for some inexplicable reason. I also believe Mosaddek would have done better at #6, leaving the #8 open for Afif.
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Old July 30, 2019, 10:16 PM
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How was Mosaddek's name put in there? He's batting at #7 even though he has the quality to be a top order batsman.

Hacks like Mithun and Sabbir were given ample opportunities at 3 and a genuine talent like Mosaddek gets wasted at 7. Totally unfair to put Mosaddek in the same list as Soumya and Mithun when he hasn't been given a proper trial yet.
First of all, Mosaddek has gotten oppurtunity to bat for plenty of overs in India, Pak and both matches in SL series, and has failed every time!

Your number 7 is still a batsman. He has to score you runs. Why will team bat him up the order when he has not shown any ability to score big runs. Even Miraz looked so good last match but Mosa was just rubbish
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Old July 30, 2019, 10:21 PM
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Some of those players have serious technical issues. For examples - Saif Hasan is another Anamul with almost no footwork; Naim Sheikh is mostly a front-foot player, struggles against short balls. Perhaps selectors being patient giving them time to work out their issues instead of rushing them in the national team.

Yes, they already made mistakes rushing in Afif and Zakir, but that does not mean they should persist with those mistakes. Zakir nowadays is not even good enough to hold his place in the A-team, while Afif is making good progress.
Both Saif Hasan and Naim Sheikh are 19/20 years old. Tamim Mushy didn't have great technique there either.

Our ishtar player Mahmudullah still doesn't have any footwork at the age of 34. Zakir is having a lean patch. As for Afif, he doesn't have great technique either but he is talented.

Lets admit, the next crop of players are much more talented than Tamim,Mushy, Riad but unless and until you give them oppurtunities they won't develop. What BD does? They block these vital spot with mediocrity like Imrul and Mithun.
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Must try new players. You have to build for the future, 2023 WC is in Asia. Have to find right players suited. Certain Old tried and tested - failed players, have a certain capacity and it cannot go beyond it, don’t bother wasting time on them much longer
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btw .... Musfiq dropped another one .


Why we are still sticking with Mushfiq as our WK? Is this not the time to make some forward thinking move?
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It's favouritism. The selectors choose their favourites more often than anything. Yasir Ali should have been tested at No.3 but the selectors picked Anamul. Shafiul gets in the squad at every opportunity present and Abu Jayed got dropped even though he had a good outing at Ireland. Furthermore, Taskin didn't even get a game.

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Why we are still sticking with Mushfiq as our WK? Is this not the time to make some forward thinking move?
Because there isn't a better wicket-keeper batsman who will be a regular in the squad. Liton is still too inconsistent to get a frequent start and his position in the squad isn't guaranteed.
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Thing is we picked Mithun and Litton both can keep so why not let someone else keep. It's not about having a better keeper batsman only, it's about having a better keeper
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Because there isn't a better wicket-keeper batsman who will be a regular in the squad. Liton is still too inconsistent to get a frequent start and his position in the squad isn't guaranteed.

Wrong. With your and approach and reasoning, the team will go nowhere.



With Rahim with his bad wicket-Keeping, it is impacting our bowlers and their moral. If we have specialist WK who can bat a bit, so be it.... we need to make a move. Rahim need to concentrate exclusively at batting #4 and nothing else.



Wicket keeping batsman is great, but not necessarily the only choice when what we currently have is a batsman who cannot do the wicket-keeping but still doing it for his ego. How that helps the team?
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Selectors have become a lot more conservative than before.

It wasn't a bad idea for BCB to try out someone with fresh thinking. Too bad Nannu will be around for longer.

BD should definitely try out Yasir, Nayeem etc.
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