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Old April 13, 2008, 03:05 PM
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For people that struggle to understand why ODI stats against minnows and elites should be treated separately, SN should be clear enough reason why it should be so. SN's current average against elites is 17.18, worse than Bashar's average of 17.26. Since 2006, his average against elites is 10.50, while in the same time period he maintained an average of 52.88 against minnows.

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Old April 13, 2008, 07:00 PM
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I can't stand SN's batting. He's becoming the Afridi of Bangladesh in terms of number of chances despite failing way more times than succeeding.
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Old April 13, 2008, 07:08 PM
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SN always gets out playing a stupid shot. That alone should get him kicked out. And I think he realises scoring against minnows is easier. So he really applies himself against them and hence gets runs. He doesn't prob use the same level of concentration against the better teams. Maybe he has a psychological problem as well. Plus Zunaed deserves another chance now while Nafees is playing bad cricket.

Mind you, I'd always be more hesitant to drop sakib than him since sakib always tries to play good cricket.
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Old April 13, 2008, 07:38 PM
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if getting out to a stupid shot means dropping a player from the bangladesh national team then pretty much all of the batsmen would have to be dropped.
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Old April 13, 2008, 07:42 PM
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It's simple really - SN is very good against spinners and medium pacers where his mixture of short-armed pulls, sweeps and away from body cover drives can come off well. Against quality pace he suffers. I'd just have him come in the middle order against the elite teams.
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Old April 13, 2008, 08:07 PM
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In an ideal situation, I would have liked to see SN is given a go at #5, but a this point we can't settle down to any particular 5 bowlers. 6 bowlers (who have bowled today) and Dhiman leave only 4 slots for specialist batsmen. I don't see how to accommodate SN in the team at this point.

We had an ideal opportunity to try him out as a middle order batsman (and let Tamim-Zunaed pair settle down) during Ireland series, needless to say the management wasted that opportunity.
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Old April 13, 2008, 08:52 PM
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I did not get chance to watch last two ODI's but heard about his dismissal CHASING WELL OUTSIDE OFF STUMPS DELIVERIES. Today he was doing the same with SOHAIL TANVIR's deliveries , didnot have any footwork or any clue how to handle the bowling.
During last WC after scoring big against MINNOW Bermuda he was CLUELESS against the CLASSY ATTACKS. Now same story------ after super performances against weak IRISH attack he failed miserably against the CLASSY MIGHTY pakis. So he has proved time and again that he is UNFIT AGAINST STRONG BOWLERS.
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Old April 13, 2008, 09:41 PM
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For people that struggle to understand why ODI stats against minnows and elites should be treated separately, SN should be clear enough reason why it should be so. SN's current average against elites is 17.18, worse than Bashar's average of 17.26. Since 2006, his average against elites is 10.50, while in the same time period he maintained an average of 52.88 against minnows.
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Old April 13, 2008, 11:47 PM
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if getting out to a stupid shot means dropping a player from the bangladesh national team then pretty much all of the batsmen would have to be dropped.
Only difference between his spot and others is that we have a great alternative opener in Zunaed , whereas in the middle order noone really can walk in the team and score consistently. And nafees doesn't show any sign of change , which even aftab did.
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Old April 14, 2008, 12:46 AM
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how do you know junaid will walk in and be consistent? as for middle order batsmen well raqibul, naeem, milon and imrul (i know he's a domestic opener but he could bat middle order internationally) are all consistent domestic scorers (not that i'm saying they should be in the national team right now), i'd say there are more consistent middle order batsmen than openers atm in domestic cricket. as for being consistent internationally well other than the recent tamim and riyad noone in the national team has consistently scored except for SN in the ireland series.

not that i'm saying junaid shouldn't get a chance, i'm just saying if you're going to drop SN for playing a stupid shot then it's unfair to keep the other players who play stupid shots just as much and are just as if not more inconsistent. i'd be dropping him for lack of runs more than playing a stupid shot, as i said if you were to drop a player due to playing a stupid shot then to be fair you should be dropping every player who plays a stupid shot.
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Old April 14, 2008, 01:52 AM
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Not arguing anything else in your post, but how can someone be "awfully out of form" if he scored three 50s in a row (90*, 60, 54) less than a month ago in the last series he played, and then scored 24 (not a great innings or anything, but a substantial innings for someone who is "awfully out of form", dont you think?) just two matches ago?

90*, 60, 54, 24, 4, 0... these are his last six innings. I can buy the "minnow-basher" tag given to him by some but "awfully out of form"? Maybe you saw something I missed, but I can't agree that he is out of form, let alone "awfully out of form".
1. Runs scored are just one of the area to understand form, important offcourse. So if you see his runs scored in last one year: 7 - IRE, 33 & 6 - Sri, 12, 6, 25 - SA, 90, 60, 54 - IRE, 24, 4, 0 - Pak. His all fifty scores are against IRE which really doesn't speak of form neither actual ability. If you solve a q of 8th grade while you are expected to match 12th, doesn't speak much of your form/ability, does it?

2. How he got out is very important to understand his form. The shots he played to be out were not shots of an inform player (neither regular silly shots/big shots usually played by many Ban players) to be out, I don't know how you can describe his shots, but they clearly indicate his awful form.

3. A batsman's form translates into his overall cricketing performance as well. If the scores against IRE had anything to do with form ( Many off form players will do that) then you would have seen it in his body language in the field, which is utterly utterly poor.

I don't know how you translate the 'Minow Basher' tag into cricketing terms in current perspective. IMO, It could be translated into either 'Poor Form' at the moment or 'technical inability' to play quality bowling (Pak Bowling in 3rd ODI was only marginally better than IRE). If it is a problem of form, there is a chance that he might come back, sometime in form; but if that is a clear technical inability as I guess you suggest, He has no chance to do well in near future. I took the lesser cause to suggest him out of the team for next few matches. I won't mind If he is out for ever on the more severe cause. Specially when we have competent players like Junaid / Nazim / Raquib in line to be given some consistent chances to prove themselves.
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Old April 14, 2008, 09:08 AM
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wow so many stats
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Old April 14, 2008, 08:49 PM
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Shariar nafees can do better but i think its his luck,i bet this happened to many of us who ever played a cricket match,we had form and all and when we come to bat in the match we feel the form but unfortunately it backfires at times,i think he just needs to concentrate and practice,practice makes perfect,he is a caterpillar which will soon turn into a butterfly and go high if he practices that is.
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Old June 8, 2008, 04:24 PM
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SN continues with his miserable form. Looking back, JO was a much better ODI opener comparing to him, seriously.
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Old June 8, 2008, 06:13 PM
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SN's dismissal was pretty bad... in the over that he f=got out, he was playing too many shots and nothing was working.
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I think the real " Aloukik kapal" is not SN but the Bangladesh cricket team which is still allowed to keep the full ODI and Test status. Therefore , we better not raise this ticket. People may discover a snake instead of a worm once they start digging in.
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Old June 9, 2008, 07:51 AM
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I think the real " Aloukik kapal" is not SN but the Bangladesh cricket team which is still allowed to keep the full ODI and Test status. Therefore , we better not raise this ticket. People may discover a snake instead of a worm once they start digging in.
well said my friend. Frankly I don't feel like watching Bd cricket anymore. A big waste of time if winning doesn't matter to the players.
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Old June 9, 2008, 10:27 AM
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Nafees only survives, due to a lack of alternatives. Zunaed is out of favour and JO is forgotten. Until the likes of Imrul Kayes et al are ready (probably a good few years yet) we'll keep alternating between Nafees, Zunaed and Nazimuddin...
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Not that I am a Javed fan, but If we think we need a 'javed' like innings from Ash to rebuild our team, then why not bring the real Javed in the team. That will solve the problem. Why trying to reinvent the wheel?
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stats really do make u wonder..
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Old June 9, 2008, 01:17 PM
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bottom line is we don't have any alternatives to replace these slumping "Superstars". We can drop SN, bring in Rajin, or drop Ash, bring in Bashar...but "Jei lau shei kadu"!
we need to develop our talents properly. Players like Raqibul, Junaid and Riyad need not be rushed in and has to be put thru each and every step of development. no player should be in the team befrore the age of 22/23 (Unless it's a talent like Tendulkar).
Now if being patient means having our test and ODI status being suspended for a while...be it!
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Not that I am a Javed fan, but If we think we need a 'javed' like innings from Ash to rebuild our team, then why not bring the real Javed in the team. That will solve the problem. Why trying to reinvent the wheel?
I HAVE ALWAYS OPPOSED JAVED OMAR FROM BEING DROPPED....(from both test and ODI)


why isn't he my favorite player? he is another one of my "unannounced favorite player".
everytime he plays he doesn't think of himself as much he just concentrates on how to built a solid platform, that's why i love Javed Omar Belim...


the only issue i have with him is his strike rate...(not includng tests)
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Old June 9, 2008, 02:40 PM
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wow, according to Albert Einstein we are INSANE...(at least BCB)
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I want to know what is BCB doing to develop cricketers in our country? I mean our body don't have the build of an athlete like most caucasians do, so we have to develop our talent and what is BCB doing regarding this? why can't we have players of vast potentials? where are they? are we failing to identify them at under 19 stage?
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Old June 10, 2008, 01:09 AM
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Not that I am a Javed fan, but If we think we need a 'javed' like innings from Ash to rebuild our team, then why not bring the real Javed in the team. That will solve the problem. Why trying to reinvent the wheel?
Because Ash can do what JO did better, longer and faster ...

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