Shahriar Nafees Ahmed in ODIs, the Man with the REAL Auloukik Kaupal !

[Sohel]

How does he continue to escape the axe ? The Josephite English combined with those "dashing good looks" ?

Just the ODI numbers against strong, test playing nations, NOT including the depleted Zimbabwe.

REMEMBER: He's a "top order" batsman, a "class opener".

Total Matches: 23
Total Runs: 411
HS: 75, two 50s
LS: , 4 times
API (Average Per Innings): 17.9
AC (Average in terms of Consistency, subtract HS and LS from the total, and divide by total matches minus 2): 16.0

....... The breakdown .......

Total Runs, first 10 matches: 284
HS, first 10 matches: 75, two 50s, 8 more double figure finishes (51, 10, 47, 11, 39, 21, 17, 13)
LS, first 10 matches: , just once, no other single figure finish !
API, first 10 matches: 28.4
AC, first 10 matches: 26.1


Total Runs, last 13 matches: 127
HS, last 13 matches: 38, no 50s, 3 more double figure finishes (16, 33, 12)
LS, last 13 matches: , 3 times, 6 more single figure finishes (5, 2, 1, 6, 6, 5)
API, last 13 matches: 9.7
AC, last 13 matches: 8.1

Any doubts?

Having said all that, he's still young and more than capable of improving. In fact, I think he has improved a great deal as far as some of his footwork is concerned, and his defense looks more compact than ever. His much improved overall fitness level also contrinuted to remarkable improvements in his fielding.

That said, poking about outside off stump with poor movement of the feet continues to plague him. He may actually be getting worse. I think he needs an extensive break, correct those issues in the PCL, NCL, Academy and A-Team cricket, and make a justifiable comeback at the highest level of limited overs cricket. Middle order will be a good place for him initially, until he scores his way up to the # 3 slot.

When he does, he'll be able to sustain his career and become the ODI cricketer we all thought he was going to become during the beginning of his career. We'll all benefit from that.

Peace ...

PS: He's better in test matches, streaky runs and all. It's not all about still milking those Fatullah heroics.

[scoilaheez]

Those figures really do highlight his form slump, i have always been a Nafees supporter and backed him, i still think he has the talent and will bat his way back into form eventually, but with those stats nobody should be exempt.

[Eshen]

IMO, SN's career is going pretty much in parallel with Rajin's career (although two of them has very different batting styles). Both of them are good minnow bashers; both of them started their careers with some excellent stats, but later turned out to be poor ODI prospects; both of them have some excellent test scores on subcontinental tracks, but neither of them has proved his worth in test matches played on non-subcontinental tracks.

[Sohel]

Here are Moyna's ODI numbers. Again, minnow sides are NOT included.

Runs, first 10 matches: 290
HS: 67, four 50s, 5 more double figure finishes (53, 57, 50, 25, 25)
LS: , twice, 2 more single figure finishes (4, 9)
API: 29.0
AC: 27.9

Runs, last 9 matches: 111
HS: 52, one 50, 3 more double figure finishes (10, 15, 15)
LS: , just once, 4 more single figure finishes (5, 2, 6, 6)
API: 12.3
AC: 8.4

[Sohel]

Nafees Iqbal sans minnows.

Total runs in 11 ODIs: 150
HS: 40, twice, NO 50s, 2 more double figure finishes (10, 19)
LS: , just once, 6 more single figure finishes (9, 4, 2, 9, 9, 8)
API: 13.6
AC: 12.2

[Sohel]

Alok's ODI career to date, in increments. NO minnows.

Runs, first 10 matches: 139
HS: 45, NO 50s, 4 more double figure finishes (12, 20, 20, 25)
LS: , just once, 4 more single figure finishes (2, 5, 8, 2)
API: 13.9
AC: 11.75

Runs, next 10 matches: 278
HS: 89, two 50s, 4 more double figure finishes (71, 34, 27, 32)
LS: , just once, 4 more single figure finishes (9, 5, 9, 2)
API: 27.8
AC: 23.6

Runs, next 10 matches: 267
HS: 69, two 50s, 5 more double figure finishes (61, 49, 26, 37, 12)
LS: , just once, 3 more single figure finishes (9, 2, 2)
API: 26.7
AC: 24.75

Runs, last 14 matches: 148
HS: 28, NO 50s, 6 more double figure finishes (18, 10, 17, 19, 18, 10)
LS: 1, twice, 6 more single figure finishes (8, 5, 1, 3, 5, 5)
API: 10.6
AC: 10.0

[Sohel]

Rajin's ODI career, NO minnows.

Runs, first 10 matches: 338
HS: 71, three 50s, 7 more double figure finishes (64, 57, 47, 25, 37, 19, 12)
LS: 2, just 4 more single figure finish (4)
API: 33.8
AC: 33.1

Runs, next 10 matches: 109
HS: 23, NO 50s, 4 more double figure finishes (21, 20, 17, 15)
LS: , twice, 3 more single figure finishes (1, 5, 7)
API: 10.9
AC: 10.75

Runs, last 11 matches: 185
HS: 82, one 50, 3 more double figure finishes (28, 14, 37)
LS: , 3 times, 4 more single figure finishes (4, 7, 6, 7)
API: 16.8
AC: 11.4

[Dhurr]

Why do I have a feeling that almost all of our batsmen have a better average in their first 10 innings than they do in their overall career?

[al-Sagar]

fata kopal ......................

[Sohel]

Players go through cycles and the better times can come back once they learn to apply themselves over time. Youth in a sport where the best performers tend to be in their 30s, is a major plus once we learn to be patient and see things in proper perspective.

Also, a dodgy start isn't necessarily a bad thing. Enjoy the stats and think ...

[Murad]

WOW Sohel bhai.

Nice work. Timely done. It was a much needed thread.

I think it will refresh everyone's lost memory

[Sohel]

Originally Posted by muradnyc
WOW Sohel bhai.

Nice work.

I think it will refresh everyone's lost memory

Thanks bro ...

[yaseer]

Nice work.........reallly excellent.......!!!!!

[djnaved]

good diggin, shohel vai

now SN along with Ash needs to be dropped....

[al Furqaan]

sohel armed with my stats database, in conjuction with mijan bhai and myself. will blow S Rajesh outta the water!

keep up the excellent work!

[BD-Shardul]

Axe Sn

[cricket_fanatic]

SN hasn't done anything special at any level ( I do remeber his NCL stats vaguely ) to get back to the national side having been dropped for the ODIs against NZ. His recall to the side is more due to the fact that other people aren't doing anything much better either, rather than him showing great improvement.

I have always believed SN's poor footwork remains a major obstacle to him, to succeed against quality bowling. Whether selectors and Siddons think of him as part of the long term plan for 2011 world cup or let him work his way back from domestic cricket is ofcourse their call.

However, at this moment I don't see any back up opener, other than SN, for Tamim and Zunaed ( who's struggling himself in ODIs ) unless you wanna bring in another untested opener or get back to JO.

[Eshen]

SN's last 10 ODI scores (against non-minnows): 5, 38, 2, 0, 1, 9, 33, 6, 12, 5
Avg: 11.1
SR: 52.85

JO's last 10 ODI scores (against non-minnows): 18, 40, 24, 34, 22, 17, 16, 80, 11, 0
Avg: 26.2
SR: 54.2

SN makes JO looks like a respectable ODI player, and that says a lot how badly SN has done in this version.

[Sohel]

Originally Posted by Eshen
SN's last 10 ODI scores (against non-minnows): 5, 38, 2, 0, 1, 9, 33, 6, 12, 5
Avg: 11.1
SR: 52.85

JO's last 10 ODI scores (against non-minnows): 18, 40, 24, 34, 22, 17, 16, 80, 11, 0
Avg: 26.2
SR: 54.2

SN makes JO looks like a respectable ODI player, and that says a lot how badly SN has done in this version.

... Sorry, that's just TOO funny !

[Miraz]

Taking out matches against Zimbabwe doesn't make sense. Those are ODIs and against a Test playing nation.

There is no need to do a S Rajesh to make him look worse.

How many Bangladeshi players have ODI averages in mid 30's and 4 centuries with 7 50's.

None, period.

[Spitfire_x86]

Originally Posted by Miraz
Taking out matches against Zimbabwe doesn't make sense. Those are ODIs and against a Test playing nation.

There is no need to do a S Rajesh to make him look worse.

How many Bangladeshi players have ODI averages in mid 30's and 4 centuries with 7 50's.

None, period.

It makes sense when there's HUGE gap between performance against minnows and other teams.

At the end of the day, nobody cares how well a player does against Zimbabwe and non-test playing nations if he keeps on delivering F grade performance against stronger teams.

[Protic]

Yah man.. and the THING is.. we were playing ZIMBOS a lot that time..and SN was a comparatively NEW KID.. He performed and performed superbly in WHATEVER matches he was given.. ZIMBOS! .. And thats wat really matters.. So i wudnt call him LUCKY for scoring his runs and 4 tons.

[Sohel]

We're all entitled to our opinions and particular angles, and we can always agree to disagree on those.

I tried to be fair by crunching numbers for quite a few players in this thread, and left the pre-Flower/Streak Zimbabwe and the associate sides out of ALL of their summeries, not just Abir's.

Why?

We're not playing second tier cricket yet, and therefore I wanted to make a QUALITAIVE difference here. The depleted Zimbabwe side actually suspended their test status recognizing the deficit. While Zimbabwe and Bangladesh have become increasingly even since then, their bowling is still VERY ordinary. In fact, it is somewhat safe to say we have close to a dozen if not more bowlers in the NCL and out of our national side, who can give the likes of Hondo, Mpofu, Chigumbura (his bowling) and Utseya a good run for their money and easily take their places as bowlers in any team.

Incidentally, Abir's performance against NCL bowlers was pretty ordinary. In fact, with his team Barisal boasting possibly the second best attack in the league with Sajid, Talha, Shubhashish and Suman to name a few, he had a hard time performing against lesser bowlers, some of whom would possibly make it easily into the depleted Zimbabwe side as bowlers. I don't see how his recent performance in the NCL or his last dozen or so matches can possibly justify his selection into the ODI side, when better performers at both levels regularly get comparatively more heat, and on more than one occasion, the axe.

Since I wanted to have a look at some our batsmen against test playing sides with decent bowling, and that in order to assess their quality from a particular standpoint, I left the Zimbabwe sides from 2005 out of the loop.

Not just for Abir, but FOR EVERYONE ELSE AS WELL.

Now, if that makes him "look bad" in comparison to other players who have been axed for apparently less, then the numbers more than validate the assumption underlying this thread: HE IS INDEED FORTUNATE TO STAY ON. The issue here is "fairness".

His performances, or lack there of really, have managed to make him look bad, NOT anything else IMHO.

Not only has he managed to evade the axe, but also valid criticism despite repeated failures since that mis-placed ODI vice-captaincy resulting from the type of minnow-bashing that actually misguided us to his class for the highest level of International cricket. That type of hype probably went to his head with typical results.

Wishful Thinking = Hype = Overconfidence = Complacency = Under-performance. That goes for most of our young cricketers, NOT just Abir BTW. Sadly, they seem to be on the fag-end of the selector's wrath more than he.

Anyway, as posted in the first post of this thread, I remain optimistic about his return at some point in time, and not just as King Rooster ruling the Second Tier Roost.

Peace ...

[Sohel]

Originally Posted by Protic
Yah man.. and the THING is.. we were playing ZIMBOS a lot that time..and SN was a comparatively NEW KID.. He performed and performed superbly in WHATEVER matches he was given.. ZIMBOS! .. And thats wat really matters.. So i wudnt call him LUCKY for scoring his runs and 4 tons.

Agreed, because I don't think anyone called him LUCKY for his minnow-bashing heroics. His successes were consistent and often spectacular where many other performances generally ranged from mediocrity to failure.

That said, this thread is about recent performances against better quality bowling attacks from the ODI WC, staying on a team playing better quality bowling attacks and how LUCK connects the two ...

[Tigers_eye]

Sohel bhai,
Protest kortasi.

Why some have last 9 match stat and some have 14 match stat? Why? I smell something. Hatey hari bhanbho?

Taratari Moyna'r stat thik koren. You say he is one of your favorite player. Tarpor or upor unjustice kora thik hoi nai.