Mushy "I think you have to wait another eight to ten years to get another Mushfiq, Tamim or Shakib"

[Rana Melb]

He should take off his gloves and focus on his batting n captaincy.
He is trying to do too many things and consequently he fails.

The way he handled Zia and Shabbir in the World Cup is not only raise a question about his ability as a captain but also disgraceful. Plus, his bowling management was a joke!

[cricplay]

Originally Posted by tiger1000
Top batting averages for wicketkeepers in Tests since Jan 2010 (20+ Innings)

1. AB De Villers - Ave - 60
2. Matt Prior - Ave - 40
3. Mushfiq Rahim - Ave - 40
4. Dinesh Ramdin - Ave - 39
5. MS Dhoni - Ave - 37

He isnt as bad as people make out - his captaincy is poor though, but who can you give it to...

such simplified stats like these don't tell the full story...who were the opposition and how was their bowling attack? how were the conditions? was it a flat pitch or a seaming deck or a square turner? was he playing at home or away? what was the match situation? what was his batting position? how many not outs? i can go on and on...

i don't expect mushfiqur to maintain a bating average of 40 if he is playing day in and day out against strong bowling attacks like south africa, australia and england to some extent on their home turfs...bangladesh rarely plays against such strong teams and that's why it is just foolish to compare him with the likes of prior, dhoni and de villers...he is the best wicketkeeper batsman we have had in our history so far, by our standards...i'll give you that one...

this mushfiqur guy is starting to get on my nerves...first of all he is a dumb captain who has shown absolutely no signs of improvement...instead of acknowledging his own shortcomings, this guy makes big statements (thread title)...look what has happened to tamim after that infamous 'ordinary' comment...if mushfiq doesn't keep his feet on the ground, he will soon join tamim's ordinary club...

[Night_wolf]

mushy is right yo..it'll be hard to get as arrogant players as mushy shakib and tamim in the next 20 years

[jeesh]

Lol. Doesnt realize how capable Anamul and Mominul are.

[Gowza]

Originally Posted by jeesh
Lol. Doesnt realize how capable Anamul and Mominul are.

yes the difference between anamul and mominul is that they are strong mentally and seem to be able to handle pressure better, and this is the view point from the start of their careers, so they should get even stronger.

[tiger1000]

http://cricket.investec.com/england-...ead-to-head-2/

Wicketkeeping stats...

He's not the best captain, so who will replace him? Shakib isn't good as captain lowers the team morale and effects his performances, Tamim doesn't want to do it, Mortaza is always injured, so who will replace him as captain, we don't have a fleming, or a ganguly...

And Cricplay, am not saying it shows everything but compare him to our other batsmen, also lets not forget the pressure of playing with our batting line up that can collapse any minute - doesn't allow him to play as freely and as well as he could, Dhoni has declined in test as a batsmen over the last couple of years, just doesnt look that good anymore. Also lets not ignore the fact he is younger than the rest of those on the list and yet to hit his prime, lets not ignore the much better coaching bigger teams get, I highly doubt we wouldn't improve if we had a batting coach like Siddons

[Gowza]

over the last 5 years mushy has averaged 38.73 in test cricket and he's still only 25 and he's had keeping to distract him from batting as well.

assuming he's not hit his prime yet then he should be able to average in the 40s during his prime especially if he ends up losing the gloves which also for the large majority has a negative affect on batting consistency. he's actually averaged in the 40s over the last couple of years so i don't see why he can't or won't average in the 40s during his peak.

[al Furqaan]

Originally Posted by cricplay
such simplified stats like these don't tell the full story...who were the opposition and how was their bowling attack? how were the conditions? was it a flat pitch or a seaming deck or a square turner? was he playing at home or away? what was the match situation? what was his batting position? how many not outs? i can go on and on...

Doesn't matter who the opposition is...all opposition are higher ranked than us. How many seaming decks or square turners have those guys played on? Dhoni would die on a seaming track. Prior ABD would die on square turners. Why pick on Mushy alone? Not outs are irrelevant since the batting average measures runs scored per dismissal without regard to batting position.

Mushfiq has superior technique and stroke play compared to a MS Dhoni, so whatever Dhoni can do, Mushfiq could do at least as well.

Next year we have 8 Tests scheduled against PAK, SA, AUS, IND. Home/away doesn't matter we are the 10th ranked team...flat pitch, sporting pitch doesn't matter because Wasim/Waqar bowled half their careers on flat pitches and still ripped batting lineups apart. We'll see how Mushy and the rest of our batsmen do next year.

[naim519]

Wicket keeping doesn't affect Sanga, then why do you think it will affect Mushi? He can focus on batting while keeping wicket.

[Crickbang]

Is our brain-fart captain talking about not getting another of this arrogant ami ki honu re lat shaheb in 10 years? Then we should consider ourselves lucky:

উত্তর দেননি সাকিব

একটি জাতীয় দৈনিকে বাংলাদেশের জনগণের দেশপ্রেম নিয়ে প্রশ্ন তুলে, ক্রিকেট বোর্ডের সুবিধাদি নিয়ে সমালোচনা করে নিজেকে প্রশ্নবিদ্ধ করেছেন সাকিব আল হাসান। টুর্নামেন্ট চলাকালে তার ওই সাক্ষাৎকারে কোড অব কন্ডাক্ট ভঙ্গ হওয়ায় ভীষণ চটেছে বিসিবি। শোকজ লেটার ধরিয়ে দিয়ে সাক্ষাৎকারের ব্যাখ্যা চেয়েছে বিসিবি। ওই শোকজের জবাব দেয়ার সর্বশেষ সময়সীমা ছিল গত পরশু। তবে গতকালও সাকিব শোকজ লেটারের জবাব দেননি! ....

http://dailyinqilab.com/2014/04/07/171145.php

[Gowza]

Originally Posted by naim519
Wicket keeping doesn't affect Sanga, then why do you think it will affect Mushi? He can focus on batting while keeping wicket.

maybe not in the shorter formats but in test matches sangakkara averages like 60 or 70 with the bat when he doesn't wicket keep whereas when he does he averages in the low 40s, that's a huge difference and although the difference usually isn't that huge for the average player it's generally accepted that wicket keeping in the longer format affects batting performance (AB has been an exception).

[Eshen]

Kinda feels like deja vu of 2003 WC - captain too full of himself (this time it's Mushfiq in place of Pilot) surrounded by a bunch of arrogant garbage.

BCB needs a coach who will shake up the players and will sweep all those complacency out of the team.

[Rana Melb]

Originally Posted by Crickbang
Is our brain-fart captain talking about not getting another of this arrogant ami ki honu re lat shaheb in 10 years? Then we should consider ourselves lucky:

উত্তর দেননি সাকিব

একটি জাতীয় দৈনিকে বাংলাদেশের জনগণের দেশপ্রেম নিয়ে প্রশ্ন তুলে, ক্রিকেট বোর্ডের সুবিধাদি নিয়ে সমালোচনা করে নিজেকে প্রশ্নবিদ্ধ করেছেন সাকিব আল হাসান। টুর্নামেন্ট চলাকালে তার ওই সাক্ষাৎকারে কোড অব কন্ডাক্ট ভঙ্গ হওয়ায় ভীষণ চটেছে বিসিবি। শোকজ লেটার ধরিয়ে দিয়ে সাক্ষাৎকারের ব্যাখ্যা চেয়েছে বিসিবি। ওই শোকজের জবাব দেয়ার সর্বশেষ সময়সীমা ছিল গত পরশু। তবে গতকালও সাকিব শোকজ লেটারের জবাব দেননি! ....

http://dailyinqilab.com/2014/04/07/171145.php

BCB now in pigeon hole.Players are showing damn to Cricket board.

Ever y thing becomes challenging now.

[Rana Melb]

Originally Posted by al Furqaan
Doesn't matter who the opposition is...all opposition are higher ranked than us. How many seaming decks or square turners have those guys played on? Dhoni would die on a seaming track. Prior ABD would die on square turners. Why pick on Mushy alone? Not outs are irrelevant since the batting average measures runs scored per dismissal without regard to batting position.

Mushfiq has superior technique and stroke play compared to a MS Dhoni, so whatever Dhoni can do, Mushfiq could do at least as well.

Next year we have 8 Tests scheduled against PAK, SA, AUS, IND. Home/away doesn't matter we are the 10th ranked team...flat pitch, sporting pitch doesn't matter because Wasim/Waqar bowled half their careers on flat pitches and still ripped batting lineups apart. We'll see how Mushy and the rest of our batsmen do next year.

Mushi has superior stroke play thanDhoni? Since when?

[MHRAM]

Anamul+Mominul have the skill-set and mental ability to outshine Mushfiq and Tamim.

I am also hopeful that someone like Nasir will regain his touch and become a key batsman down the order. Infact, its safe to say that these 2 currently are better than Mushfiq and Tamim. Although anamul is yet to perform in tests. BTW, Anamul is a better keeper than Mushfiq.

[Gowza]

Originally Posted by MHRAM
Anamul+Mominul have the skill-set and mental ability to outshine Mushfiq and Tamim.

I am also hopeful that someone like Nasir will regain his touch and become a key batsman down the order. Infact, its safe to say that these 2 currently are better than Mushfiq and Tamim. Although anamul is yet to perform in tests. BTW, Anamul is a better keeper than Mushfiq.

currently better than tamim certainly, tough call on mushy. but these 2 are doing so well because of their mental ability, something that mushy, tamim and shakib have had to work very hard on improving whereas anamul and mominul have the mental side of it already (at least much better than the previous guys did when they started) and need to work on technical skills more.

[MHRAM]

Originally Posted by Gowza
currently better than tamim certainly, tough call on mushy. but these 2 are doing so well because of their mental ability, something that mushy, tamim and shakib have had to work very hard on improving whereas anamul and mominul have the mental side of it already (at least much better than the previous guys did when they started) and need to work on technical skills more.

Tamim doesn't work hard anymore unfortunately. He worked hard during the siddons era but soon faded away. I think he would last longer on the commercials you see during the match than actually on the crease.

[jeesh]

Another factor to keep in mind. Shakib, Mushfiq etc are all products of a system managed by Richard McIness and then Alaistair de Winter. Both highly rated coaches-known for their ability to give players a solid grounding. De Winter was Bangladesh's last proper appointment-this was in 2006.

Ever since then this team has been coached by interim personnel(All local coaches). In most occasions this team just got together prior to a tournament or Under 19 WC and prepared. In the days of McIness and De Winter a lot more effort was put on the team and players.

Another reason why talent is drying up.

[Modad]

Mushi has the potential to be a very popular gotok gonok. Surely the guy knows every shite he is talking about. Mominul who?

It will 100s of generations to find a captain like Sir Mushy Khan Imran and Sir Ghilcrist Rahim.

[Night_wolf]

Originally Posted by jeesh
Another factor to keep in mind. Shakib, Mushfiq etc are all products of a system managed by Richard McIness and then Alaistair de Winter. Both highly rated coaches-known for their ability to give players a solid grounding. De Winter was Bangladesh's last proper appointment-this was in 2006.

Ever since then this team has been coached by interim personnel(All local coaches). In most occasions this team just got together prior to a tournament or Under 19 WC and prepared. In the days of McIness and De Winter a lot more effort was put on the team and players.

Another reason why talent is drying up.

didn't Mclness work with the current u19 team?

[jeesh]

Interim. Big difference. Previously he got to work on the Under 19 players for a long period of time. Not just before the Under 19 World Cup. And this was done simultaneously with academy.

[Tiger444]

Originally Posted by jeesh
Another factor to keep in mind. Shakib, Mushfiq etc are all products of a system managed by Richard McIness and then Alaistair de Winter. Both highly rated coaches-known for their ability to give players a solid grounding. De Winter was Bangladesh's last proper appointment-this was in 2006.

Ever since then this team has been coached by interim personnel(All local coaches). In most occasions this team just got together prior to a tournament or Under 19 WC and prepared. In the days of McIness and De Winter a lot more effort was put on the team and players.

Another reason why talent is drying up.

Raw talent is not the problem. Even the recent U19 team has some quality coming through. It's again the mental attitude of these players that cause the downfall. Also the system should be blamed. Otherwise how can you explain the fact that BD produced better results than the SL U19 team?

You know it better than me. Let's say these players were developed in SL, India and Pak, I'm sure we'd see better results. No matter what we say, they've developed players that are bound to be successful at the international level and sustain consistency. Our players on the other hand might be successful for a tour or 2, even for a year or 2 but they fail to take their games to the next level. Have to blame the culture of celebrating mediocrity of course and most importantly our players mental weakness. They might come in pumped up for the game but as soon as they feel pressure, they most likely fold.

Talent can get you only so far. It's frustrating for us fans but as long as the board and players fail to see the problems for themselves then there's nothing we can do and we'll have to bear more disappointments.

[Fazal]

Besides other problems, historically our national team under the leadership of experienced players are not a good place to mentor and develop young players. they feel thretehned by these young players and take every opportunity to humimliate them and create more pressure to them.

It happened before under different leadership. its still pretty fresh in our mind, how Rahim misused the young players, thrown them under the bus, in the field and off the field, instead of protecting them from pressure, publicly indentified them for theam's faulure. This cannot be a good environment to nuture new players in the team and help them grow.

We can always criticise or not agree with the decision when a new player is selected oin the team. But once he is selected, we have the responsibility ( Senior players and fans) to support him and give every opportunity so that he can learn and grow. Its very unfair for anybody to set a snadard that the rookie player should single handedly win the game for the team. if he can od that, then great, but don't make him the scape goat publicly for the team's failure. Its the experienced players, who should take that role.

So unless national team environment changes, we will continue to lose some potentially good players ... they would die before they will have the chance to blossom.

[Rifat_02]

Originally Posted by Tiger444
Raw talent is not the problem. Even the recent U19 team has some quality coming through. It's again the mental attitude of these players that cause the downfall. Also the system should be blamed. Otherwise how can you explain the fact that BD produced better results than the SL U19 team?

You know it better than me. Let's say these players were developed in SL, India and Pak, I'm sure we'd see better results. No matter what we say, they've developed players that are bound to be successful at the international level and sustain consistency. Our players on the other hand might be successful for a tour or 2, even for a year or 2 but they fail to take their games to the next level. Have to blame the culture of celebrating mediocrity of course and most importantly our players mental weakness. They might come in pumped up for the game but as soon as they feel pressure, they most likely fold.

Talent can get you only so far. It's frustrating for us fans but as long as the board and players fail to see the problems for themselves then there's nothing we can do and we'll have to bear more disappointments.

BUT there is problem with raw talent in the country, where is our Malinga, our Narine? I am pretty sure coaches dont teach youngsters to bowl with such a slingy action or teach Narine like different variations to the kids. Its their own unique talent and their own hardwork. I dont see such talent in our pipeline, lets face it playing on the streets for fun is not same as playing professionally, you might see kids in BD playing on the streets but how many actually join a club and train regularly and play competitive cricket matches weekly. We have this culture in BD where great emphasis is put into getting a GPA 5 but we dont have a sporting culture at all.

This needs to be changed by the BCB by encouraging young kids to play cricket by creating talent hunts and spotting new talents and also making sure that the top level clubs look to bring new talents into their team rather than playing the same old Nazimuddins and Aftab Ahmeds and Tushar Imrans again and again. Its not going to help our cricket if such deadweights keep playing at the our top most domestic level while the new and green talents rot on the outside and fade away. The team selectors at the domestic level need to be good scouts and talent spotters, thats important too i feel if our cricket needs to go forward.

[jeesh]

I think its fair to say many Bangladesh Under 19 level players are better than some of their international peers. But the trouble starts right after that. While the young Sri Lankan or Pakistani will be playing competitive domestic cricket, our ones will be playing in an inferior setup which runs just a month or two in the year. Such players will also be learning from professional coaches, and share the dressing room with influential players like Sangakara or a Mahela.

You ll see its rare to see a Sri Lankan player flung into the big stage at a young age. Even the best start after a few years of performing consistently at domestic cricket. Sangakara himself started at 24/25. We on the other hand have this habit of pushing youngsters while too raw.