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[SS]

Originally Posted by Nafi
Well I would term our pacers in these group depending on their developed. The top group means they have developed their potential to at least international class. Group 2 still developoing, but has shown performances against top opposition, but hasnt developed consistancy. Group 3 needs a lot of development but has potential, or hasnt had enough international exposure.

Group 1: Mashrafe Mortaza, Syed Rasel

Group 2: Nazmul Hossain, Rubel Hossain Shahadat Hossain

Group 3: Dolar Mahmud, Robin, Roy, Ziaur Rahman, Abul Hasan, Tareq Aziz, Talha Jubair (the rest of the academy pacer), missed out a few here.

Good grouping. Group 2 and 3 needs MRF Academy type training...which is missing for a while. Not sure why they are getting training or trip to Australia...it's been a while that BCB not sending these players overseas

[wiseshah]

Originally Posted by Nafi

Group 1: Mashrafe Mortaza, Syed Rasel

Group 2: Nazmul Hossain, Rubel Hossain Shahadat Hossain

Group 3: Dolar Mahmud, Robin, Roy, Ziaur Rahman, Abul Hasan, Tareq Aziz, Talha Jubair (the rest of the academy pacer), missed out a few here.

i agree with gowza, najmul should be in group 1. only ODI or 20/20

my group 1: mashrafe, rasel, najmul
group 2: Rubel Hossain
group 3: shahadat,Tareq aziz, talha zubaer,farhad reza,tapash baisya.

not tested but promising: subhashis roy, emon,robiul shiplu,abul hasan

tested but failed to show promise: Robin,ziaur,sajedul,dollar mahmud

[Dhruvo]

Originally Posted by wiseshah
i agree with gowza, najmul should be in group 1. only ODI or 20/20

my group 1: mashrafe, rasel, najmul
group 2: Rubel Hossain
group 3: shahadat,Tareq aziz, talha zubaer,farhad reza,tapash baisya.

not tested but promising: subhashis roy, emon,robiul shiplu,abul hasan

tested but failed to show promise: Robin,ziaur,sajedul,dollar mahmud

Ziaur was never tested in the national team. Robin,sajedul and even dollar showed promise, they need some good mentoring and practice IMO.

[wiseshah]

Originally Posted by Dhrubo
Ziaur was never tested in the national team. Robin,sajedul and even dollar showed promise, they need some good mentoring and practice IMO.

my mistake. yes ziaur never tested---plus he never showed much promise as a bowler in any form of cricket, i mean he was never noticeable with solo bowling but he showed promise as a hard hitter allrounder in PCL, may be he will be fit for 20/20.

in ODI, i dont think robin, sajedul and dollar showed any promise yet. except one 7 wkt haul, i never seen dollar perform in domestic even.

robin, sajedul may be good option for test in future.

[beshideshi]

We should really consider Talha Jubair. When talha and Mash started their U17/U19 careers, the coaches said they both have similar potential and promises. But Talha had injuries from which he could not come back properly, but Mash did. And Talha's performing well recently as well

[wiseshah]

agree. he has been consistent for last 3 years. he should get a chance in near future

[yaseer]

Originally Posted by Fazal
I thought Nazmul did pretty good in 3rd ODI. Looked like Nazmul was under used in that game. I was unable to rationalize why he was removed after his 3rd over when wh just got a wicket with decent economy rate.

Bringing two spinners from both end that early when they (spinners) were bleeding runs from both end didn't made sense to me. I would prefer to let nazmu bowl for 5 overs during initial power play.

I was thinking the same. No justification of removing Nazmul from attack at that point. Also Sakib was rotating himself, Enam and Razzak too frequently which also had no logic. 1 over at a time makes no sense. Seemed like he forgot it a was a 50 over game instead to T20.

[rezwansyed]

Bring back Hasibul Hossain Shanto...problems will be solved!!

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[Fazal]

Sometimes we over react without considering the pitch condition and/or having a bad day.

We need to trust these Fbs a little bit and let them play and grow. Also we need to rotate them to keep them freash.

Now that Nazmul is getting more chance due to mashrafee and Rasel's injury, he is showing what he can give. In 4th ODI, he again shined and got his MOM. Plus that spectacular catch, which is not expected from FBs (ususally they are bad fielders).

So I say, lets give them some constant chance and stick with them a little bit, may be some of them are not as bad as we think they are.

[BD-Shardul]

যে পরিমাণ "bashing" এই বেচারা নাজমুলের উপর দিয়ে গেছে বিসি ফোরামে...

[Murad]

Nazmul averaging just 17.82 with 17 wickets from just 11 games in last 12 months.

Career averages

	Mat	Inns	Overs	Mdns	Runs	Wkts	BBI	Ave	Econ	SR	4	5
unfiltered	30	29	212.5	17	1089	36	4/40	30.25	5.11	35.4	1	0	Profile
filtered	11	11	75.2	7	303	17	3/13	17.82	4.02	26.5	0	0

Career summary

Grouping	Mat	Inns	Overs	Mdns	Runs	Wkts	BBI	Ave	Econ	SR	4	5
v Sri Lanka	1	1	10.0	3	30	3	3/30	10.00	3.00	20.0	0	0
v West Indies	1	1	5.0	0	27	1	1/27	27.00	5.40	30.0	0	0
v Zimbabwe	9	9	60.2	4	246	13	3/13	18.92	4.07	27.8	0	0

[SS]

After all these years of playing, Nazmul apa amader shiromoni...

[nycpro96]

Mash-Nazmul-Rasel/Rubel??

[AsifTheManRahman]

Mash-Rasel-Nazmul. Provided our apamoni can continue to sustain the heat.

[FagunerAgun]

I like to give Tapash a limited opportunity to prove, to use his ICL and previous experience with BD team.

[RazabQ]

Sometimes people are blasted for a reason. Nazmul is a slow, low pitch specialist whose average on home pitches is 22.something and away is 45.something. That is a 20 run difference per wicket!

When Nazmul came to the scene during the 2004 Champions Trophy in England he actually did quite well. He was a vertically challenged, honest medium pacer who could bowl line and length and seam the ball a bit. In English conditions he did ok. South Africa was chasing 93 on his debut match, taking it easy, and he didn't bowl utter dross like Tapash did. Plus Birmingham is a bit of a seamer's ground. In the second match he bowled 7 overs on the trot and didn't get hit much and then Chanders & Sarwan took him to the cleaners on his 2nd spell. Then came a string of 8 matches in BD and he started to look good, especially compared to Tapash. Then he went back to England and on true pitches, power batters such as Hayden, Trescothic et al took him to cleaners. The knew that the balls would bounce a certain way and would not slow down after pitching, and so they'd just walk down the wicket, cover what minimal movement he could get, and hit him senseless. Match economy rates of 8.71, 6.50, 8.30, 9.66, 6.14, 7.62 & 8.42 finally got him banished to wilderness in 2005

Then he gets to make his comeback 3 years later on a slow-low wicket in Darwin in 2008. And asides from that one match against Aus, he's either played on his slow, low, wicket or against Zim & Windies. I've watched pretty much every match he's played since his return and I don't see any change other than perhaps an improved ability to vary his pace. He still is a fullish length medium pacer who is counting on the ball staying low and slowing down to give him catches or batters with poor technique who stand and poke or flat out miss the ball. I still don't see how, when he's playing on a classic, shirt-front ODI pitch against the Shewags, Gayles, Dilshans and Afridis of the world, how he's going to avoid being bloody murdered. He can't bowl a bouncer to keep them honest. He is not fast enough to trouble them and he doesn't do much with the ball.

Conclusion: let us enjoy his "dominance" against the Zimbos of the world on our home type pitches. Don't count - and I'm looking at you ATMR - on him to be the messiah or even the 3rd seamer going forward.

[AsifTheManRahman]

I can't sleep at night, Razab bhai.

[RazabQ]

Oi beta - amar three kids under 5. I can guarantee that you get more sleep than I do!

[imtiaz82]

Razab bhai wrote 4 paragraphs just to state the obvious.. your kids must have confined you to the laptop corner in the house
As for Bangladesh, there is really not much hope on the fast bowling aspect, even "shobe dhon nilmoni" Mashrafe is nothing special in the last 10 overs.

[RazabQ]

@Imtiaj - some people weren't getting the obvious saying "why was he bashed?" "he's doing good now that he's gotten a chance", etc.

[imtiaz82]

Originally Posted by RazabQ
@Imtiaj - some people weren't getting the obvious saying "why was he bashed?" "he's doing good now that he's gotten a chance", etc.

I was just messing with you.. your analysis is spot on. some ppl even said that Bangladesh is the No1 team in the world after we defeated Zim and WI A side.

[wiseshah]

mash-najmul-rasel
very good option for both ODI and 20/20
but for test----have to think differently.
but our modon selector will choose them for all 3 version and if they fail--they will be out for all 3 also.

[RazabQ]

@wise shah - seriously? Nazmul for 20/20?

[RazabQ]

@wise shah - seriously? Nazmul for 20/20?

[RazabQ]

@wise shah - seriously? Nazmul for 20/20?