Don't blame Ashraful

[smashyboy]

For every loss we can come out with a theory why we failed. X should have bowled 40th over y should have bowled 45th over. Sure we can go after captain when he makes obvious errors. In this case what he did was right. That bowler had bowled well upto that point. He had good outing against tail last match. SL had just two genuine tailenders. Pretty much all the captains in the world would have backed Rubel against a batsman whose batting average is 6. Who knew Murali would register his highest score in this match. If you are bowling to the likes of Gilchrist, Chris Gayle you can say that. For petesake he was bowling to Muralitharan.

[AsifTheManRahman]

Originally Posted by cricket_dorshok
That's where the question to come. Which type captaincy it is that you don't have any alternative option at the dead overs (where you know there will be a power play) and you have to rely on a 19 years old boy who is playing his second match only? His decision to go with Rubel may be right but not having an alternate option is certainly a blunder.

See the reason that he ran out of options was that defending 152, we HAD to bowl them out well before the allotted 50 over mark and the only way to do that was to let his best bowlers bowl out their quotas. The key was to attack and hope to pick up wickets, because had this gone all the way to the end, we were going to lose (which we did).

I'd argue that it's not so much a matter of him running out of options but rather the fact that his main bowlers couldn't bowl Sri Lanka out within their quotas (not their fault, as most of it should be attributed to the grit and determination of Sanga, Mubarak and Maharoof). When we couldn't get all of their wickets, he wasn't left with much of a choice.

Now had he kept his options open and reserved Masri or Nazmul, the game might have finished earlier. In the end, it was Murali's once-in-a-lifetime slogfest and bad batting that lost us the game.

[Fazal]

Ash didn't have any option left in last few overs only because he didn't have a game plan that would provide him with option if he needs at the end. And that's where he failed as a captain. Lets see what are the bowling options he had at the begining of the innings:
Mashrefee, Sakib, Naim, Rubel, Nazmul, Ash, Riad
Except of Mashrafee, Sakib, there is no track record yet that you can expect Naim, Rubel, Nazmul will consistently bowl their 10 overs. But still Ash decided to go with 5 bowlers. In top of that he let Mashrafee bowl all his overs well ahead. If he would use his 6th bowler in his game plan, that you give him few more options at the end of the innings.

Now that can also fail to win the game. But atleast that would not hanicapped him that way it did as he only used 5 bowlers.

Note: last few overs is not the palce you use your 6th bowler for the 1st btime in the game. I have to be sometime in the middle of the innings.

[Nadim]

Not only Ash, i dont blame anyone.........We all know Murali is one of the worst batsman in the world but the fate was on his way and couldnt stopped it.....

[al Furqaan]

Originally Posted by Fazal
Ash didn't have any option left in last few overs only because he didn't have a game plan that would provide him with option if he needs at the end. And that's where he failed as a captain. Lets see what are the bowling options he had at the begining of the innings:
Mashrefee, Sakib, Naim, Rubel, Nazmul, Ash, Riad
Except of Mashrafee, Sakib, there is no track record yet that you can expect Naim, Rubel, Nazmul will consistently bowl their 10 overs. But still Ash decided to go with 5 bowlers. In top of that he let Mashrafee bowl all his overs well ahead. If he would use his 6th bowler in his game plan, that you give him few more options at the end of the innings.

Now that can also fail to win the game. But atleast that would not hanicapped him that way it did as he only used 5 bowlers.

Note: last few overs is not the palce you use your 6th bowler for the 1st btime in the game. I have to be sometime in the middle of the innings.

first of all its humanly impossible to have that many plans comfortably packed away in your brain. no captain can do that.

you need to have a few basic ideas of what to do in various situations, but as cricket is a game, there are very nearly MILLIONS of different scenarios that can take place. you need an ENIAC to plot a plan of action for each of them.

blame should rest squarely on the top order batsman (ash included) for not scoring 20 more runs on what was a very difficult batting wicket.

captain ash actually did everything right this time. as AMTR said, poorer captaincy would have ensured an easy 5 wicket win for SL and we wouldn't have even gotten to the moot debate of "rubel or sakib and naeem in the last 5 overs". the game would have been over well before the start of over # 40.

[BagherBacha]

i will blame ash for his irresponsible batting in this match. I wont let Shakib off the hook for his irresponsible batting- he could let that ball go

[al Furqaan]

Originally Posted by Fazal
Now that can also fail to win the game. But atleast that would not hanicapped him that way it did as he only used 5 bowlers.

we all should know that that is not true.

had this happened, he would have been attacked for NOT using up mash's quota early as he is our strike bowler and IN FORM.

its a damned if you do, and damned even more if you don't case, which is why i have no worries over what transpired at mirpur a few hours ago.

the personaly animosity of the fanbase against ashraful is sad, pathetic, disgusting and reflects just as poorly on the character and mental weakness of the fans and BC members involved as it does on ashraful playing his idiotic reverse sweeps when the team needs a partnership from their captain.

in other words, if ashraful is a fool, he only leads a nation of fools, with a foolish fanbase.

[Fazal]

Originally Posted by al Furqaan
first of all its humanly impossible to have that many plans comfortably packed away in your brain. no captain can do that.

Please reread my message. What I am saying is very much humanly possible, and cpatians around the world are doing that. You don't need to be a nuclear scientist to manage 6/7 bowlers rather than 5 bowlers. But if you meant that its humanly impossible for ash, then I agree with you. He is not cabaple of doing that. and that's the problem.

Originally Posted by al Furqaan

blame should rest squarely on the top order batsman (ash included) for not scoring 20 more runs on what was a very difficult batting wicket.

Sure. But thats doesn't nullify what we are saying here. Problem lies in different stages. One player's problem doesn't nullify other player's inability.

Originally Posted by al Furqaan

captain ash actually did everything right this time. as AMTR said, poorer captaincy would have ensured an easy 5 wicket win for SL and we wouldn't have even gotten to the moot debate of "rubel or sakib and naeem in the last 5 overs". the game would have been over well before the start of over # 40.

Most of the wicket fallen has little to do with Ash, the captain. the credit goes mostly to bowlers and the fielders. Thats has little to do with is captaincy. Good or Bad... Riad was selected as a all rounder (lower end batsman) and he was indeed the 6th bowler in the team. Ash, the captain failed to use the resource given to him. and that's where he failed a captain.

[cricket_dorshok]

Originally Posted by al Furqaan
captain ash actually did everything right this time. as AMTR said, poorer captaincy would have ensured an easy 5 wicket win for SL and we wouldn't have even gotten to the moot debate of "rubel or sakib and naeem in the last 5 overs". the game would have been over well before the start of over # 40.

from 5 wickets down in 6 runs and still thinking to lose the match by 5 wickets. Wow! your captain did the magic. he did not let us lose the match by 5 wickets.
bravo captain!
bravo captain's supporters!!!

[Fazal]

Originally Posted by al Furqaan
the personaly animosity of the fanbase against ashraful is sad, pathetic, disgusting and reflects just as poorly on the character and mental weakness of the fans and BC members involved as it does on ashraful playing his idiotic reverse sweeps when the team needs a partnership from their captain.

The same can be told to Ashraful fanatics that see no wrong in their idol. And that is also sad, pathetic, disgusting and reflects just as equally poorly on the character and mental weakness of the fans and BC members that worship the fool.

Originally Posted by al Furqaan
in other words, if ashraful is a fool, he only leads a nation of fools, with a foolish fanbase.

... thats what happening right now. Isn't it?

[cricket_dorshok]

Originally Posted by AsifTheManRahman
See the reason that he ran out of options was that defending 152, we HAD to bowl them out well before the allotted 50 over mark and the only way to do that was to let his best bowlers bowl out their quotas. The key was to attack and hope to pick up wickets, because had this gone all the way to the end, we were going to lose (which we did).

in the 7th wicket, Sanga and Mahroof batted for 21 overs. what he did to break the partnership other than following the 5 bowlers bowling script given by his grand'ma? should not he try other option like using his 6/7th bowler?

[imahmud]

Everyone have had with Ashraful now a days, sack him, get rid of him, kick his a.. etc. On the contrary, I think he still is a good player. With a juvenile-experienced team like Bangladesh, he was always on the spot. Our habitual collapse at the top level allways burdened him in all his carrier. An environment like these, a good player can not grow. In a real life, if a kid is compelled to become head of the house due to any tragic event, their own carrier never grows. Ashraful has been carrying this burden initially as a member and now finally as a captain for a while. What a waist! Instaed, if he would have been a member of a big team like Austrelia or England, he would have been the player he was destined to be by now. It was Scotty pippen and others and Michael Jordan made Chicago Bulls great. So, think before you talk and try to look at the bigger picture. It is just my opinion. Thank you.

[Miraz]

You could have easily posted this in this thread.

http://www.banglacricket.com/alochon...ad.php?t=28805

There was no need to open another thread.

Moderators please merge the threads.

[Nadim]

too many thread is opening nowdays....can't read all of them because of time.

[roaring tigerz]

i thought ashraful's captaincy yesterday was inspirational, insightful, and proactive. the defensive and reactive strategies that he had been much maligned for, was no where to be seen. yesterday, ashraful truly emerged as a new leader. the team looked inspired in the field, the field set ups were aggressive throughout, and the bowling changes were timely.

yes, giving rubel the 46th over was a crucial error...in hindsight. but as ashraful himself revealed, bowling at the death was the designated role for rubel. both mashrafe and nazmul do not have the extra yard of pace that you need to rattle the tailenders. rubel was clearly overwhelmed by the occassion and could not perform at his best. on any other day, one of those hits could have easily gone to hand. but looking at the big picture, i believe this game should mark a new beginning for our team under the helm of ashraful

[tiger_club]

SL were 5 for 6 and we lost the game.. who will believe that? I sincerely blame Ash for the loss.. Ash shouldn't have brought back Rubel again in the 48th over.. that was his big mistake, he could’ve used Naeem, Ryad or himself.. why? He could see Shakib did well in the 47th over why would he go for pacer doesn’t make sense to me.. Rubel’s 46th over was the turning point of the match when he gave away 20 runs to the worse batsman in the world whose avg is just 6… Ash has to ruin everything right at the end and there is no excuse for this idiotic behavior.. he must quit captaincy.. had enough of him

[smashyboy]

Originally Posted by tiger_club
Ash shouldn't have brought back Rubel again in the 48th over.. that was his big mistake, he could’ve used Naeem, Ryad or himself.. why?

What makes you confidently say Maharoof would not have laid into those two?

[nahaz]

To those consistently blaming him, u guys sicken me! And clearly u understand nothing about cricket (most of u)! Any captain wud've used up his best bowlers by 45th over with such a small target.I don't like him giving it to Rubel at 48th over, but that's the only mistake he'd made. His actual mistake is sth u guys prob wudn't pick up due to ur lack of understanding of cricket.

Blame Tamim, for consistently failing, and getting out in idiotic manners consistently. Blame Zunaed's bad form. But can't blame Ash here. .And he wasn't the only one making that decision. And Murali wud've hit anyone that time, Riyad's off-spinners wud've made it easier to hit him to mid-wicket.

[Miraz]

Originally Posted by nahaz
And Murali wud've hit anyone that time, Riyad's off-spinners wud've made it easier to hit him to mid-wicket.

Fine!! keep a fielder at deep-midwicket. Jhamela shesh.

Tailenders always find spin difficult to dispatch as it requires more application and timing. It's alwyas easy to slog pacers during death overs.

[smashyboy]

Originally Posted by Miraz
Fine!! keep a fielder at deep-midwicket. Jhamela shesh.

Tailenders always find spin difficult to dispatch as it requires more application and timing. It's alwyas easy to slog pacers during death overs.

What makes you think Maharoof would not have faced that over. He had already smoked two spinners for a six each. He could very well hit 3 or 4 sixes in a row in the power play.

[wiseshah]

it was our bad luck. everybody tried, so dont blame anyone. i have full support for ashraful and co

bangladesh team great

[Sohel]

1. Using MaMu and Nazmul up was totally justified because we had to get Sri Lanka all out in light of the pathetic target.

2. Using Rubel initially was justified in light of what he hid to the Lankan tail in the previous match.

3. Using Rubel again, a 19YO playing only his 2nd match, after he gives up 20 to a belligerent Murali was risky. Then again, it was vintage Ashraful except for the fact that this time, he didn't do it with a faltu stroke to give it away, he did it with someone else with a ball. The net result was the same.

Ash OBHIASLI wimped out and didn't take the ball himself. On a wicket like yesterday's anything other than pacy half volleys and full tosses were hard to get on top of, just look at the rest of the match.

[djnaved]

Originally Posted by nahaz
To those consistently blaming him, u guys sicken me! And clearly u understand nothing about cricket (most of u)! Any captain wud've used up his best bowlers by 45th over with such a small target.I don't like him giving it to Rubel at 48th over, but that's the only mistake he'd made. His actual mistake is sth u guys prob wudn't pick up due to ur lack of understanding of cricket.

Blame Tamim, for consistently failing, and getting out in idiotic manners consistently. Blame Zunaed's bad form. But can't blame Ash here. .And he wasn't the only one making that decision. And Murali wud've hit anyone that time, Riyad's off-spinners wud've made it easier to hit him to mid-wicket.

sounds like u don't understand cricket my friend.....ash was the main culprit in the batting side....who was bowling against ash? Mahroof...who was batting against mahroof? the world class player ashraful......now how come he got the wicket of ash? because it was a birthday gift to mahroof..the birthday gift was send by ash........laste ki hoilo eita boro kotha na...ashol defect holo pura top-order/middle order batting side, shei liste asher naam ache....captainei jodi dolke uddhar korte na pare tahole r ki bolbo?

[zainab]

If Ashraful is sacked as captain, I wonder on whom these fans will spew their wrath. Who else is there to be captain? BD cricket board can try a revolving captaincy, but giving captaincy to Sakib too early will destroy his bright future. Ash has won games against WI, NZ, SL, since 2008 the test performance against stronger teams has improved, they do not lose all their games by an innings defeat anymore, the opposing team bats twice, they have to toil a bit harder in the field.

Look at these positives, and not so much the negatives.

[kfirooz]

Ashraful did evevrything ok except the decision to bowl a pacer at that crucial stage. Any bowler not just this particular bowler would have got hammered because Murali is someone who always tries to hit out and any pace from the bowler would only havw helped his cause.
A spinner preferrably Sakib was the best choice.