S Africa asks its' players to stay.

[brockley]

http://www.espncricinfo.com/southafr...y/1074750.html

[NoName]

As long as SA keeps it quota system and affirmative action attitude towards its Black cricketers because of the past, then they will continuously lose players

[brockley]

The South African Rand is not worth much either,so what domestic players get paid as verses the Pound is not worth much.
Also in S Africa I don't think you can take your money out of the country,know some white South Africans who had 2 smuggle wealth out of the country.

[NoName]

A bowler like Abbott can walk into any side in the world at the moment, except for his own because of stupid policies

[EmperorHawk]

Incredibly sad. SA always been my favorite for the sheer amount of talent they produce. Everyone getting in line to play for Eng at this rate. Might as well - English can't produce home-grown talent if their lives depended on it....all these immigrant players,Stokes from NZ, even their last great batsman, KP, was a Saffa.

Rabada,Amla,Ntini would never need a quota system to get in today. Put a quota at age group levels, domestic levels etc....no place in a national side.

[brockley]

1 Its fringe players going the kolpak way.
2 Domestic white players that can't crack the first division due 2 quotas.
3 Its under rep players usually white who go to NZ and England.

[NoName]

Originally Posted by NoName
A bowler like Abbott can walk into any side in the world at the moment, except for his own because of stupid policies

.....and he's retiring

[EmperorHawk]

Originally Posted by NoName
.....and he's retiring

SA Cricket is one long political tragedy. Barry Richards, Graeme Pollock, Mike Proctor, now Kyle Abbott.....

[brockley]

Well the plea by the journalist is not working.
Rossouw also linked with Hampshire in a double deal.

[NoName]

Although to be fair, Abbott was competing with the likes of Rabada and Philander which would walk into any side in the world as well so the quota systems here is irrelevant.

[EmperorHawk]

^^ Maybe rooting for a Nation-based model of international cricket is wrong to begin with? Maybe we should celebrate Premier Leagues etc., since 2 of the biggest talent-producers screw over their own talent so much : WI & SA. Even India has more batting talent than they know what to do with. Idk.

[brockley]

It won't be the last player 2 walk.
On twitter yesterday a domestic player through an agent inquired of Australian and NZ clubs for a job.
I think underlying it,S Africa is not a safe place to live.
Its bad enough you have a virtual 1 party state and the leader is a convicted felon.BTW not comparing him to Mugabie,but a crook nonetheless.

[NoName]

Originally Posted by EmperorHawk
^^ Maybe rooting for a Nation-based model of international cricket is wrong to begin with? Maybe we should celebrate Premier Leagues etc., since 2 of the biggest talent-producers screw over their own talent so much : WI & SA. Even India has more batting talent than they know what to do with. Idk.

Its not that, at least Indian players make good money in their domestic circuit, Ranji Trophy or w.e they call it. They also have the IPL to fall back on. Its all about the money, Saffers wouldn't be emigrating to the UK if they were making good money in their domestics not to mention they have an even tougher time landing a spot due to the quota nonsense.

[EmperorHawk]

^^ my point exactly. When I said 'screw over' and 'politics' I meant something deeper,systemic, like the local economies these guys operate in, the resource govts in these countries allocate to cricket in general. Should be open borders for players to take their talents where they are appreciated.

Btw, Trevor Noah's comparisons of Trump with Zuma led me to take a glance at SA politics - so sad. Race/Identity politics strikes again.

[brockley]

I will take an example in the Big Bash last night,Dan Christian took 5/14,Darcy Short got 60,both are aboriginals.Also in the Hurricanes Clive Rose bowled tightly throughout the night he is Pakistani heritage.
You can have ethnic players in a white system,and thats without quotas.
Thunder has Arun Nair,Usman Khawajah,Sandhu and Fawad ahmed.,their ethnic rookie is Jason Sangha played for Australia under 19 and is 16,he made hiis debut in the Mattador cup.

I think encouragement,money,coaching etc and you will see those ethnic players come through.
The Saffie Board is too weak in not putting money in the townships.Any coloured talent that arises comes directly through the Schools system.

[brockley]

Kyle Abbott and Rilee Rossouw look certain to be lost to South African cricket.

Independent Media understands that Cricket South Africa have been in urgent discussions with both players’ representatives over the past 48 hours, to see if there is a way to reverse what would be a double hammer blow to the country.
Politics and sport are uncomfortable bedfellows, but South African cricket looks set to suffer the implications of Brexit, with fears that the employment door may be harder to break down in future. That has forced players in their prime – but on the fringes of their national team – to weigh up their options immediately.

The lure of the British pound, coupled with the uncertainty of their respective futures, looks like they have convinced two of South Africa’s most potent Protea talents across the pond. And there may be precious little that their current employers can do about it.

Unlike their rugby counterparts, cricket has strict rules about players plying their trade elsewhere. A Kolpak deal requires a player to retire from international cricket, and had been seen as an option at the end of players’ careers.

With their national contracts ending in April, both men were in a position to start negotiating their future, and Abbott is understood to have entered talks with Hampshire before his successful tour of Australia.

“It would be sad to see him leave,” Kagiso Rabada said on Wednesday evening of his Proteas pace chum Abbott.

The saddest part of the matter is that after an often tortured past in green and gold, Abbott was in the midst of his finest international hour. It seems the scars of that 2015 World Cup semi-final, as well as countless other occasions when Abbott was seen as the easy option to drop, have been the telling factor.

The news of his Hampshire offer broke on the second day of the ongoing Test, but Abbott is understood to have explained his situation to the team before then to put them in the picture. Cricket South Africa (CSA) have been urgently trying to find a way to reverse the situation, but it seems that his head was turned even before he left for Australia in November.

Abbott didn’t take the decision to be left out of the opening Test in Perth very well, and there were still significant calls for Morné Morkel to be recalled ahead of him before the Hobart Test. With South African cricket not always showing him the love he craved, and perhaps deserved, it seems that Abbott sought someone who would show him the money.

Abbott, 29, has a three-year deal on the table from county outfit Hampshire – worth over £500 000 (about R9 million) in total – with the option of a fourth year, and a national contract doesn’t quite match those numbers, even with match fees and bonuses.

Abbott, who was recently released by his IPL franchise, could also supplement his income with stints in the soon-to-be revamped T20 Challenge in South Africa, or even the Big Bash League in Australia.

The even more startling news is that of Rossouw, who has also been allegedly convinced to pack in an international career that looked to be just blossoming into its full potential, injuries notwithstanding.

South African cricket bosses would arguably be even more disappointed in the Knights batsman, perhaps, as they have stood by him through several injuries, and he had even retained his place ahead of veteran Hashim Amla in recent months – a sure sign of the faith they have in his undoubted abilities.

Both Abbott and Rossouw, 27, had spoken with beaming pride about representing their country only recently, though they had endured personal heartache along the way. But, it seems, every man and his priorities has a price.

The double loss blows a cavernous hole into the Proteas’ plans for the tour of New Zealand and England, as well as the Champions Trophy in late May, where both men were expected to play significant roles in a challenge for a major ICC trophy.

CSA are expected to respond to the double whammy at the conclusion of the second Test at Newlands, which is likely to be around lunch on Thursday.

Off cricketweb website.

[EmperorHawk]

^^ Good. Abbott deserves way better than what he got from SA cricket

[NoName]

Abbott is the Saffer pace version of MacGill, couldn't break into the team due to all the competition.

[EmperorHawk]

Abbott >> mcgill. As an anti-Aussie fan, I always felt happy and relieved when Mcgill was bowling even tho he turned the ball more than Warne. Tells u about the fallacy of sticking with Jubair-types if they cant get control/line/length right. Abbott more compareable to the likes of Gilchrist, Damien Martyn.

[aklemalp]

I love that spell of bowling from abbot when they rattled out the Aussies for less than a 100 the other month.

[tiger1000]

Originally Posted by NoName
A bowler like Abbott can walk into any side in the world at the moment, except for his own because of stupid policies

Abbott hasn't played because others were better, not because of a quota system

Steyn, morkel, philander and now rabada are all better than him

Only one up for debate is morkel in the longer formats, but he offers something different to line and length that philander steyn and Abbott all offer

[Wickets]

Originally Posted by EmperorHawk
Incredibly sad. SA always been my favorite for the sheer amount of talent they produce. Everyone getting in line to play for Eng at this rate. Might as well - English can't produce home-grown talent if their lives depended on it....all these immigrant players,Stokes from NZ, even their last great batsman, KP, was a Saffa.

None of the influx of kolpak players moving to England for the upcoming season (Van Zyl, Abbott, Rossouw, Piedt, Viljoen etc.) are moving in order to play for England and it's near certain that none of them ever will.

Out of interest how is someone like Ben Stokes who has played all his cricket in England not a 'home-grown talent'?

[mufi_02]

"February would be four years since my international debut. Ever since I played in South Africa, at every level, there has always been a quota system. I have never used it as an excuse and I won't now. I need to pay bills, I need to buy groceries."

how much will Hampshire pay him? Surely BCB can pay more than that and Abbott can play for us. We can get Rilee Roussow too.

[Wickets]

Originally Posted by mufi_02
how much will Hampshire pay him? Surely BCB can pay more than that and Abbott can play for us. We can get Rilee Roussow too.

Word is it'll be about £500,000 for his 4 year contract. I know the 2nd part is kind of tongue in cheek but he'd have to go through 4 years residency for qualification to play for Bangladesh.

[mufi_02]

Originally Posted by Wickets
Word is it'll be about £500,000 for his 4 year contract. I know the 2nd part is kind of tongue in cheek but he'd have to go through 4 years residency for qualification to play for Bangladesh.

that is a lot of money for a county team. even a lot of national teams don't play its players that much.

regarding residency, he can just get BD citizenship (through naturalization) and starts playing. Or is that an ICC rule that he needs 4 years of residency?